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Old 08-30-2019, 05:10 PM
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I have just recently finished my CFL build. Ran into a little issue, I have only ridden 3 times since I finished for a total of maybe 50 miles. Well today I rode to work and went to start it to come home and the battery was dead. This was a brand new AGM battery, and I have done all the test, and still cant seem to find the cause. Flash back to 3 years ago the same bike left me stranded twice with dead batteries. The charging system has been changed, the bike has been completely rewired. I have noticed that the mount for the battery does not completely tighten down, it just bends and wont hold the battery tight. My question is this, Have any of you guys had issues with the vibrations just beating the battery to death? This is the only thing I can think of that might be causing the issue. Its sad I really like this bike, but im afraid to ride because it has left me stranded 3 times so far.
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Old 08-30-2019, 06:18 PM
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I have just recently finished my CFL build. Ran into a little issue, I have only ridden 3 times since I finished for a total of maybe 50 miles. Well today I rode to work and went to start it to come home and the battery was dead. This was a brand new AGM battery, and I have done all the test, and still cant seem to find the cause. Flash back to 3 years ago the same bike left me stranded twice with dead batteries. The charging system has been changed, the bike has been completely rewired. I have noticed that the mount for the battery does not completely tighten down, it just bends and wont hold the battery tight. My question is this, Have any of you guys had issues with the vibrations just beating the battery to death? This is the only thing I can think of that might be causing the issue. Its sad I really like this bike, but im afraid to ride because it has left me stranded 3 times so far.
Doubt vibration, but sill , a battery should be sitting on a mat , well tied down. 1) I hear you about charging fixes, bu it still might be an issue- no charging and you ran on battery. And then , can,t start. Easy on test by jus simply placing voltmeter on the battery posts while the bike is running . 13-14 volts is normal charging.. Or 2) when parked , could be draining somewhere, an error of wiring. You can disconnect negative cable from battery, place ampermeter in-line and check if there,s current with the ignition key off. Thee should be none.
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Old 08-30-2019, 06:24 PM
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What are the results of the tests you performed, DC voltage at battery and AC voltage coming out of the stator?
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Old 08-30-2019, 07:14 PM
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Yes sir, as I stated in my recent post, I have been through two of those things this year, and It is very possible that heat and vibration can shake them apart, that's why I went back to the Lithium ...I would do that simple test that Stein described, and if it checks ok, then you may have to do the same..people are having good luck from the Lithiums' from the input I received.

First, see if it will charge back with your floor charger, if yes, then check charging system, if no then garbage...
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Old 08-30-2019, 07:18 PM
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I havent been able to do the test, bike is still at work and need to get a new battery. The issue is not the battery losing charge, it is the battery is dead. It wont pass a load test, dead. Thats why I am leaning toward more of vibration just bearing the cells to death. Once i get the bike back home I will do the test once again.

Yes, the battery is sitting on top of a rubber mat.
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Old 08-31-2019, 08:17 PM
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I’d look at the ground on the regulator. If the reg is not grounded it cannot dump off the excess charge and could be killing the battery. Just a shot in the dark.
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My first assumption would be that the battery is getting fried as Pushrod says.
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Old 09-25-2019, 04:23 PM
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Well guys I was so pissed off with my bike I just recently messed with it. I took the battery to get tested and it was fine. It seems the battery just lost the charge trying to turn over the big ass motor. After banging my head against the wall for a few days trying to get the damn thing to start I finally found out the plugs had fouled out. So now Im on the mission to find out why I fouled plugs. I am thinking it has something to do with the settings on the ignition. It is a new one. Anyway one I got it started I did all the checks just to make sure it wasnt the charging system. Here is what I got.

Stator reads .4 ohms
Dc Voltage while running was 13.6 at battery.
Ac voltage coming out of stator was 20-21 at idle and 45-46 when revved up. Dont have a tach so not exactly sure of the rpm.

Now that have gotten it all running again, I left it off the tender for a few days. Went to start it and it fired right up, so the battery is not draining down. It looks like all these issues this time were from fouled out plugs.
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Old 10-04-2019, 06:16 AM
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Back in the day when I finished my chopper, I resp. my bike killed 2 batteries in 6 months. Ok the first one was not completely new, but the second one. At the battery shop they told me the voltage was still ok but the "cold start" (sorry I speak German) was down. Probably the bike killed the battery becuase of heat from the oiltank (next to it) and vibrations.

I made some isolation to the oiltank and elastic rubber mat for the battery to sit on and made sure it is not moving. Since then I had no more problems.

But anyway, I switched to a lithium battery. It is lighter, has more power and lasts longer.
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Old 04-19-2020, 08:28 PM
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Rookie built bike here,
I had the same issue. I was having to recharge a new Braille b14115 battery from day one. All new roller/parts. Recharging after every couple engine starts. It was Pushrods previous post-8-31-19 that helped me. +googling and YouTube video research.
My new regulator did not come with instructions, telling you to add or create a grounding wire. Or I probably did not understand it. Once you create a ground (wire) to the bike. The regulator will only then, be able complete a charge to the battery. A digital voltmeter is necessary to verify.
It’s tough to accomplish when you are not good at electrical.
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Old 04-19-2020, 08:46 PM
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A regulator is always grounded "internally" to the case and if you mount it the engine or bare metal of the frame, then there is no need for a grounding wire, they are just making sure that you don't mount the regulator to a painted surface and then return the item if it doesn't work..
I also wanted to state that when testing a stator, ...just because it puts out proper voltage. is not an absolute test sense a burned winding can still allow voltage readings but as soon as a load is applied, regulator , battery etc, then current flow can drop to 0.. A Halls effect amp meter"clamp on" around one of the stator wires is the tool for an absolute test..if the regulator and battery are 100% good..it should read about 20 amps with no lights on..this will show true stator strength.
of course 13.5 volts tells you that your system is good but if it were bad and you were troubleshooting, then it wouldn't tell you if it was the stator , battery or the regulator that was bad, which one?...these items all have to be load tested....One other simple stator test would be to un plug the stator and hook a load across it , "toaster oven"
it should warm up as you increase rpm..Good load test for a battery would be to just scratch a wire across it, if it fries the battery post, then good battery, that only leaves one item, or the wiring in between.
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Wow! Great advice agin from this site.
Mr Shovel52, I made the exact mistake you say on first sentence. My regulator, I innocently had mounted it to a painted bracket. Had no idea, newbie rookie here.
I have since grounded it’s case, by adding the -(neg)wire to the frame.
Thank you-appreciate the good lookin out!
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