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Old 05-04-2009, 01:11 PM
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That's what I mean.

I've never timed it that way with his mod.

so I can't say it's the same...cause I don't know for sure.


He's at 30 now...which is where he's supposed to be.


I would say...find and repair the standing electrical problem and try it out...leaving his timing where it is now.


It may be possible that when he fixes whatever is wrong now...everything will be fine.
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Old 05-05-2009, 02:28 AM
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This afternoon I went to check out my bike and handle the electrical problem. I brought from home all the neccesities for this task and probably more tools then needed yet I have learned from previous dilemmas one can never have enough artillery upon entering into battle.

I also figured you never know if you need your battery charger as well.

At this point I checked the voltage @ the battery and if you recall I mentioned that the battery showed 12.63 volts. This afternoon that number was quite different overnight the voltage dropped to 10.3 volts.

Now im thinking to myself WTF it must be a parasitic draw.

I hooked up my Deltran battery tender and the light on the tender is flickering like christmas lights.

I have had this crap happen to me once before and the battery sulfated.
Shit I even started a thread about it.

I have been using a stock HD battery # 65948-00 this battery is an AGM for 2002 and later vrsc as well as 2000 and later buells. I have a S&S 113 in 1853cc motor. I forgot to mention this battery is 6 months old.

I also read the battery voltage with the charger connected and the voltage numbers fluctuated betweem 13.0 and 14.7 so I believe the battery is toast after 6 months.
Well on Mondays all HD stores are closed so I figured tommorrow is another day I will deal with it after I exchange my battery for a new one.

At the Hd dealership they say that all of there batteries dont need an initial charge yet from quite a few informative books I have read state otherwise.

I am open to any suggestions on battery replacement for future purchase.
The dimensions of my HD battery are approximately 5.5 inches tall x 5.75 inches in length x 3.5 inches in width AGM battery.

Merlin that 30 mile ride is one that you will never forget for sure. Your lucky you didnt end up with scars after that especially if your route was on Kam Highway thanks for the input.

Scary your welcome on the invite let me tell you summertime around Orange County coastal beaches are some goodtimes to be had as well as smoking hot women everywhere.

I am taking your advice on this it is interesting that I had that much voltage drop over night and I am going to begin at the crack of dawn. I hope my wifes parents dont mind me crawling thru their window in the morning I dont know why they would I used to crawl into their daughters window when we were teenagers.
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For its size, this is a kick ass battery...

http://www.braillebattery.com/index....eries/b14115/#
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Old 05-05-2009, 10:13 AM
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Interesting enough last night I was checking out the Braille battery website.

Thank you Clspht for confirminging that particular battery is worth purchasing.

I was checking out the Tek battery Matt Hotch Designs Lithium batteries as well. I have heard that they are rather expensive so I E- mailed him last night for a quote on a unit.

About 15 years ago Matt Hotch used to frequent a nightclub I ran the security for so maybe he will remember me and hook me up with a realistic economy in the shit house price. It is worth a shot you know my father used to say half a loaf of bread is better then none at all and I'm sure they don't have people beating down their door for overpriced motorcycle batteries.

Any thoughts on why my battery went into a sulfated state?

It is strange that this is the second battery in six months that has done this and my charging system checks out fine.

I plan on double and triple checking complete charging system today.

Prior to this problem battery @ say 2500 rpms showing the voltage @ 14.4 volts.

I am going to HD to exchange batter still under warranty for a new one and I will post my results with hopes of being able to get back to timing issues.
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13.8 to 14.5 volts should be fine at 2500.
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Old 05-05-2009, 10:37 AM
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Only thing I can add is be sure the battery is securely fastened so that it's not bouncing around in the battery box.
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Old 05-05-2009, 03:14 PM
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Well just left Westminister HD and the battery is sulfated.

They have no problem prorating it under warranty but do not have one in stock until Thursday.

They told me that for the size of my engine the battery I am using will continue to cause the same problem over and over.

What I am going to do is run up to Fullerton HD and buy one and pick up the prorated battery on Thursday as well for a back up until I buy one from braille.

Cenjim your advice is something I have been thinking about and how to secure it with some thing other than foam. Thanks for confirming my thoughts.

Almost forgot to mention I had a phone call from TEK batery Matt Hotch battery set up and they want $1200.00 for a battery I guess no discount coming my way and no cash going their way either.
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I like Hd Batteries.

I'm 5 years with the one I have now.

High compression big Vtwin.


But I plug it in to a tender every time I park the bike for the night.
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Lithium ion batteries will come down in price as more manufacturers make them. They're the latest thing in rechargeable construction equipment batteries as in portable saws, drills, etc.

But there has to be a demand before companies gear up to produce a bike battery.
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I just got my battery from HD and now on my way to my bike.

I keep hearing all of the words of wisdom and now I am going to head the warning. Use a battery tender. Thanks Scary.

The guy at TEK battery had told me that their profit on a battery for $1200.00 was $200.00 I told him he might as well shut his doors cause he's going to starve to death.
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How many CCA's is that battery? At 5.5" tall and 5.5" long it probably isnt a lot...How much battery space do you have? Like Scary said, HD batteries are really good but I dont have the room so I have to go with the Braille...Does your 113 have comp releases?
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So I installed my new battery after checking all the immediate wiring from positive feed side to all ground return side. My results came back with no resistance on my battery to starter wire and battery ground to starter body and ground to frame with the same results.

Clspht to answer your question regarding compression releases on my bike i do not have any though wish i did.

Interesting enough I was going to purchase the Spyke bolt on compression releases and unfortunately the do not manufacture them anymore. Speaking of Spyke products they are a local based company and happen to be friends with some of the fellas that are employed there.

I called up wayne who is one of the tech support guys and is a great person who likes to help out those who ask. Anyway I discussed my battery issue with him because I remembered that they were selling some decent cca rated batteries and he told me they no longer are due to cost factors.

What he did mention is the fact about battery tenders and how important they are to logevity of battery life as well as the charging system output amperage. He said when I have the extra dough he would hook me up with the Compu fire 400 charging system part# 55570 he said it will compensate some for the smaller size batteries in replenishing as well as life of battery.

Well I got my bike started and rode home thank God cause my mother inlaw started hanging shit off my handlebars.

One thing I find odd though is that the day my bike took a shit on me the voltage read 12.63 volts yet when I turned the key to light position nothing happened?

Today after installation of the new battery they came right on I gotta figure that one out.

I took a video of my bike running I am going to try and figure out how to post it.

Also when I turned on my headlights they dimmed a little bit I will check that out.
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Cenjim your advice is something I have been thinking about and how to secure it with some thing other than foam. Thanks for confirming my thoughts.
Pool noodles!!

A couple of pieces of pool noodle, cut in half, jambed down in between the battery and the box

Not affected by gas or oil - holds the battery super snug

Pool noodles rock for all kinds of things
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Merlin I like that idea and i just so happen to have some laying around. By the way Merlin the 30 mile ride story was good reading. I guess if you gotta get to wear ya gotta go and if it takes holding the key in the indent for 30 miles well shit thats called determination in my book.

The battery that I purchased today volt checked out at 12.1 from the HD dealership and I am not to pleased with that so it is almost done charging now. Then it is back to diagnostics.
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Old 05-06-2009, 01:56 AM
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I can't remember where I found this

But FWIW

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