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Old 06-04-2007, 07:52 AM
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Just a heads up. When I first installed my front end. It was making a noise when I turned it while sitting still. Turned out to be my wheel spacers where just a little short causing a the front wheel to move just slightly making a slight thumping noise. I replaced them and no more noise.
Thanks, but its not the spacers... I didnt change them.. Just the trees...

When the bearings are too tight, it rides like a tank.. very top heave cuz it cant make the slightest movement without puttin it into a wobble...

Plus when I put it on the side stand, the wheel stays straight,, it should flop over on its own.... That is a good indicator that the trees are too tight.
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Old 06-04-2007, 07:55 AM
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Dont' weld the nut to the stem. That's crazy. I would take it apart and red loctite the stem into the upper trees. I've ridden mine quite a bit and checked the stem and bolt, and it hasn't moved. If you're worried about the stem backing out, you could make a cover that goes over the nut on the lower trees and that would hold everything in place.
Im not worried about the stem backing out... Right now that is what I need...

Im not gonna locktight the stem to the top tree....

Once everything is correct, the set screw will hold the nut in place, the nut will then hold the stem in place...
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Thanks, but its not the spacers... I didnt change them.. Just the trees...

When the bearings are too tight, it rides like a tank.. very top heave cuz it cant make the slightest movement without puttin it into a wobble...

Plus when I put it on the side stand, the wheel stays straight,, it should flop over on its own.... That is a good indicator that the trees are too tight.
Definitely sounds like the trees are too tight.
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Ill ask again in a different way...

I need to take my trees apart,,,, but the nut is NOT part of the stem...

I can take the nut off the stem, but cant get to the stem...

HOW can I get the stem loose???

Can I just cut a slot in it with my dremel?
Or put her in the lift and take everything apart??
Or tack the nut to the stem, and remove the stem that way??
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Im not worried about the stem backing out... Right now that is what I need...

Im not gonna locktight the stem to the top tree....

Once everything is correct, the set screw will hold the nut in place, the nut will then hold the stem in place...
I put loctite on mine because if you think about it, even if the nut came off the bottom, the front end would still stay in place because the trees are pinched against the legs, holding the upper and lower trees from moving up and down. On the other hand, if the stem backs out, it's your ass. Either way, good luck with it.
Are those DNA trees?
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You are not getting the question...

the trees are too tight!

How can I get the stem to loosen up??

The nut is free of the stem, the stem doesnt move....

How can I get the stem to loosen?????
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Is the lower nut attached to a sleeve that the set screw hits against to keep it secure? And if thats the case you should be able to dremel a slot in the bottom of the stem and either loosen the nut while holding the stem or vise vera. But either way you need to loosen the lower trees where they clamp to the legs in order to loosen anything up. Why is this so difficult? I'm struggling to understand that.
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Do the trees move in the stem when they are loose? If they have drag loose I would look at the bearings first. If the look fine look for signs the stem is dragging on something. Are the headlight wires going through the neck?

If everything else seems ok are you running dust seals? If so they may be taking up too much space. Try removing them.

Internal Fork stop too thick?
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Is the lower nut attached to a sleeve that the set screw hits against to keep it secure? And if thats the case you should be able to dremel a slot in the bottom of the stem and either loosen the nut while holding the stem or vise vera. But either way you need to loosen the lower trees where they clamp to the legs in order to loosen anything up. Why is this so difficult? I'm struggling to understand that.
the nut is held in place by the set screw. If you look at the pictures, you can see the lill hole that the set screw, screws into...

And thanks for reminding my about the lower legs... Without the clamp for them being loose, loosening the stem aint gonna do any good.

Its got so difficult cuz RW wasnt understanding the question.
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Do the trees move in the stem when they are loose? If they have drag loose I would look at the bearings first. If the look fine look for signs the stem is dragging on something. Are the headlight wires going through the neck?

If everything else seems ok are you running dust seals? If so they may be taking up too much space. Try removing them.

Internal Fork stop too thick?
All good and valid questions, But the fact of the matter is, when I installed them, I cranked the stem tight... Now that I realize its too tight, I just need to loosen it up a bit...

Im gonna loosen the lower leg pinch bolts, and then cut a slot in the stem...
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You are not getting the question...

the trees are too tight!

How can I get the stem to loosen up??

The nut is free of the stem, the stem doesnt move....

How can I get the stem to loosen?????
Dude, I totally get the question. I keep asking you why you need the stem to loosen up to loosen the trees. Do this. Loosen the lower tree pinch bolts. Loosen the allen screw that hold the nut on the lower trees. Loosen the nut. Then re-do it in reverse order. Why are you worried about loosening the stem? It's the nut that tightens it all up.
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Dude, I totally get the question. I keep asking you why you need the stem to loosen up to loosen the trees. Do this. Loosen the lower tree pinch bolts. Loosen the allen screw that hold the nut on the lower trees. Loosen the nut. Then re-do it in reverse order. Why are you worried about loosening the stem? It's the nut that tightens it all up.

Thats kinda what I'm thinking......well exactly what I'm thinking to be honest.

But without knowing 100% how the hardware is comprised it becomes a matter of explanation and interpretation, and thats where the confusion comes in. Atleast on my part
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Dude, I totally get the question. I keep asking you why you need the stem to loosen up to loosen the trees. Do this. Loosen the lower tree pinch bolts. Loosen the allen screw that hold the nut on the lower trees. Loosen the nut. Then re-do it in reverse order. Why are you worried about loosening the stem? It's the nut that tightens it all up.

Duhhhh...

or is it,

DOHHHH!

I get it now.... shit,,,, thats easy.... Now I feel like an ass...
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Punisher, You want to have the stem tightened into your top tree with some red loctite. You don't want the stem to work its way out of the top tree.

If your bearing adjustment is too tight after loosening the nut on the bottom, it's probably because you haven't loosened the pinch bolts enough on the lower tree which will allow your neck bearings to loosen up a little.
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Punisher, You want to have the stem tightened into your top tree with some red loctite. You don't want the stem to work its way out of the top tree.

If your bearing adjustment is too tight after loosening the nut on the bottom, it's probably because you haven't loosened the pinch bolts enough on the lower tree which will allow your neck bearings to loosen up a little.
Gee, why didn't I think of that?
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