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Old 02-05-2006, 09:48 AM
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Hey folks, just a thought, i REALLY want to build my own bike. BUT....whats to say you cant shop the insurance autions for wrecked bikes, put them back well enough to pass for a real title and not a salvage at a HP inspection station, then go home and rake and stretch and whatever you want. TECHNICALLY....its still the same bike aint it ? Least it works that way here in OHIO.
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ROCKY- the only way you can pass emissions today is with fuel injection.

To not be concerned about the possibility of losing your bike Ahead of time will only get you in big trouble down the road.

Hornswaggle- you crack me up I don't believe for one minute that is your true attitude. Your just talking that way on the computer. Right? because if not you will be going IN for round three, which is a KNOCKOUT!!!!!
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SHOW SOME FUCKIN DIGNITY BUCKET, been 2 the joint and made it out everytime, jail again is the least thing i will be thinking when some socialist mothafucka is trying to tow my chopper 2 an impound yard, at that point i consider it theft at that point , and it is a very serious and immediately punishable offense in my book. im not sure about your backbone, or if its in tact or not but as you are acting you and your attitude are a big part of the problem. i will not stand still 4 someone taking my chop. especially when diesels are spewing smoke all the fuck over. in my world i would lose any respect i have earned, if i stood still while some idiot took my bike. SHOW SOME FUCKIN DIGNITY BUCKET.
My previous comment was not meant as an insult to you- as I do not know you, however, past experience has taught me that nothing is more important that one's freedom or family. Enough said!

You do whatever you feel is appropriate to keep your ride...your diatribe deserves no more of my time.
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ITS A MATTER OF DIGNITY AND RESPECT. command respect its the american way. although there isnt many of us left. If not curl up like a bitch and let them take your bike on to the tow truck. and dissapear with it. Its a very simple concept, If i have to explain it, you wouldnt understand. 1 more thing il be the first motherfucker to stop and help you when you have a flat tire or any other prob roadside.
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From what it looks like, no one will pull you over and confiscate your motorcycle.
It will most likely be a denial of license tabs.

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Yeah the guy from the EPA said they have no intentions of taking your bike, they just want them to pass the emissions. All it boils down to is it has to pass the inspection, but if your bike doesn't need inspected in your state then I guess they'll never know if it's legal.

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Yeah the guy from the EPA said they have no intentions of taking your bike, they just want them to pass the emissions. All it boils down to is it has to pass the inspection, but if your bike doesn't need inspected in your state then I guess they'll never know if it's legal.

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As far as I know, New Jersey never tested motorcycles for emissions, and still doesn't. So if the EPA is only concerned with emissions and nothing else, then maybe it won't be so bad for NJ.

Also, there's no maximum sound level criteria either, so that's also a plus.

http://home.ama-cycle.org/amaccess/l...t.asp?state=nj

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I have been told by several sources that HD announced at their latest dealer meeting that dealerships will no long sell and/or install non epa compliant exhaust and will be phasing out their Screaming Eagle brand exhaust after memorial day. Large $ loss for HD and their dealerships.
IF and I say IF the EPA chooses to enforce the 1979 regs it is a $10,000.00 dollar fine per instance and a $10,000.00 per day fine until the bike is put back into compliance. This also includes wheel size changes, pulley ratio changes and intake changes and includes any factory built bike since 1979.
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When I talked to the EPA they said that the $10,000. fine will not be enforced, but if you were to get caught by an EPA agent the fine could go up to $2500.

As for HD losing $$ they're are the ones who has made it rough for all of us, they had a hand in this, at least thats what I've been told.

Check my other posts on this thread , I put alot of what I found out about these new laws. But no matter how you look at it this still SUCKS!!!

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Maybe Harley did or did not have a hand in Pushing through tougher regulations. I don't like them(the Regulations) either but look at it from there perspective if they did. They have to have EPA compliant bikes, why should'nt everyone else have to follow with the program. If I was buildin bikes and the government was forcing me to do some extra engineering then be damm to all the others they should too!!!
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Maybe Harley did or did not have a hand in Pushing through tougher regulations. I don't like them(the Regulations) either but look at it from there perspective if they did. They have to have EPA compliant bikes, why should'nt everyone else have to follow with the program. If I was buildin bikes and the government was forcing me to do some extra engineering then be damm to all the others they should too!!!
That's why there are special construction tag classes.
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Its getting bad in all the powersports, snownobilers are getting crunched also.
A HD dearler indicated to me that the aircooled engines will be discontinued at some point.
The Twincam came along because the old style engines with the iffy oil return burns more oil.
The Twincam with its oil sump, oilspray piston cooling,larger cooling fins and small ports can be run leaner.
The V rod with liquid cooling could be the future as with the other makes of bikes.
The concerns in the performance industry is heating up. With articals appearing in the various publications.
Some are concerned about looming fines for past work on street bikes.

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You are right about the Special Construction, but that goes back to my original point. Why should I as a Harley Dealer have to be EPA certified and you the builder get to slide with a SP license. Let 's say for instance I start a small car company called Yugo. Would I the Yugo company have to be EPA certified? Of course!!

So I can see the EPAs point. But I don't want Mufflers, fuel injection or a Gawd damm Radiator!!!!!
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There's a big difference between major manufacturers and private builders. Most don't manufacture bikes, they assemble them from manufactured parts. It should be up to manufacturer to meet the standards, not the assembler.

You can assembled your own TV from spare parts without any restrictions but TV manufacturers have to put V chips in theirs. Should I be ordered by law to put a V chip in the next TV I assemble? Same difference.
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I agree with you all the way there is a big difference, and the people at the EPA told me that.
The main problem here is money, as in my other posts I mentioned that the price to have your bike tested as a builder is (and this what I was told) is $25,000. , we as small builders can't pay this but to a big company like HD that's just a drop in the bucket. HD with all its money could have put up a fight but they gave in for some reason, maybe to eliminate the competition.

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