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Oh. too bad for those that ride the short bus, the anti American labor crew from CC always cries when its pointed out what a piece of crap the Korean R/T engine is.
Here it was pointed out what is in a good engine, in this case Merch.
The many that respond in positive, cancels the negatives everytime.

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i showed my wife all of your comments about merch. as i spent the kitchen remodeling money on a merch 131ho. she disagrees with u. next time i need engine work i will contact u thanks for taking the time
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Oh. too bad for those that ride the short bus, the anti American labor crew from CC always cries when its pointed out what a piece of crap the Korean R/T engine is.
Here it was pointed out what is in a good engine, in this case Merch.
The many that respond in positive, cancels the negatives everytime.

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Only in your mind Don..only thing you pointed out is ..knowone gave a crap about your merch thread it was lame...All i know is i see the all powerfull R/T everywhere..havent seen a Merch in many years....must of been real funny you sitting there watching the freaky tattoo get all the views..it was then and only then you realized you should get on that bus...let me repeat look into a merch sad very sad...look into a tattoo good very good..you can get off your knees now don it been over a week
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freeway you said you where going to walla walla land..looks like your in dons shop..holding one of dons fine grinding tools that he uses for head work....looks like you cleaned his shop up a little
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Only in your mind Don..only thing you pointed out is ..knowone gave a crap about your merch thread it was lame...All i know is i see the all powerfull R/T everywhere..havent seen a Merch in many years....must of been real funny you sitting there watching the freaky tattoo get all the views..it was then and only then you realized you should get on that bus...let me repeat look into a merch sad very sad...look into a tattoo good very good..you can get off your knees now don it been over a week
I think you'll find quite a few replies to Don's thread DID 'give a crap', or more accurately were appreciative of the information provided. As to the R/T argument, simply saying there's a lot of them around doesn't really say very much - there are, after all, a lot of idiots around but that doesn't mean it's good to be one! The fact that R/T stuff is common only means it's widely available and heavily marketed, not necessarily that its any better than average (and nobody's saying it's shite, just that it isn't the same calibre as Merch). If you're going to take the argument seriously then you'd need to reply to the technical issues raised - do any of these features which Don highlighted actually appear on R/T engines? Or do you have some expertise with which you can refute the suggestion that these features make an engine better (I'd love to hear that!!). Then again, if by "sad" and "lame" you actually just mean "not of interest to me" then fine, just don't read it, nobody's forcing you to.

Don. Thanks for your original post; having never seen a Merch engine stripped down, it's very interesting (to me!) to see what the extra dollars pay for.
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I think you'll find quite a few replies to Don's thread DID 'give a crap', or more accurately were appreciative of the information provided. As to the R/T argument, simply saying there's a lot of them around doesn't really say very much - there are, after all, a lot of idiots around but that doesn't mean it's good to be one! The fact that R/T stuff is common only means it's widely available and heavily marketed, not necessarily that its any better than average (and nobody's saying it's shite, just that it isn't the same calibre as Merch). If you're going to take the argument seriously then you'd need to reply to the technical issues raised - do any of these features which Don highlighted actually appear on R/T engines? Or do you have some expertise with which you can refute the suggestion that these features make an engine better (I'd love to hear that!!). Then again, if by "sad" and "lame" you actually just mean "not of interest to me" then fine, just don't read it, nobody's forcing you to.

Don. Thanks for your original post; having never seen a Merch engine stripped down, it's very interesting (to me!) to see what the extra dollars pay for.
Monty, if you read Dons threads he`s always saying R/T are shite, but you are right, no ones saying they are shite!
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I think you'll find quite a few replies to Don's thread DID 'give a crap', or more accurately were appreciative of the information provided. As to the R/T argument, simply saying there's a lot of them around doesn't really say very much - there are, after all, a lot of idiots around but that doesn't mean it's good to be one! The fact that R/T stuff is common only means it's widely available and heavily marketed, not necessarily that its any better than average (and nobody's saying it's shite, just that it isn't the same calibre as Merch). If you're going to take the argument seriously then you'd need to reply to the technical issues raised - do any of these features which Don highlighted actually appear on R/T engines? Or do you have some expertise with which you can refute the suggestion that these features make an engine better (I'd love to hear that!!). Then again, if by "sad" and "lame" you actually just mean "not of interest to me" then fine, just don't read it, nobody's forcing you to.

Don. Thanks for your original post; having never seen a Merch engine stripped down, it's very interesting (to me!) to see what the extra dollars pay for.
Thanks for explaining that to me monty....I wonder if s&s have those features...the few Merch motors that i seen didnt hold up well or dyno well....wait wait hold on.. I live on the coast and i think i just seen something..Ill be back
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Yeah OK, Don said "piece of crap", although that was after a bit of agro, and he is pretty down on R/T generally.

The point is (at least from my view) that the R/T product has two areas of issue that might prompt folks to spend a few extra dollars on something else, such as an Merch:

1. The R/T products are definitely designed and manufactured down to a price rather than up to a standard. That’s not to say they’re useless, but that they are limited in terms of quality. It’s maybe about the difference between ‘below average’, ‘average’, ‘good’ and ‘excellent’ but in the heat of argument more disparaging words like ‘crap’ creep out … !

2. R/T being made in Korea (or anywhere else but the USA) is an issue for some people, given the affect on jobs “at home”. It obviously is for Don, and perhaps not to quite the same extent it is for me too – I prefer to buy UK-made but if not then EU or US, and preferably not far East made. It’s a valid enough view even if not everyone subscribes to it.

But don’t mistake the second as an excuse for the first – as an engineer I recognise and appreciate the extra quality you get from a Merch, and recognise the limitations of other products, and as an engine builder Don obviously does too! Maybe he’s a bit of perfectionist (a good attribute in an engine builder I’d say!) and his vitriol is fuelled by irritation at seeing work that, against his standards, is “poor”.
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Thanks for explaining that to me monty....I wonder if s&s have those features...the few Merch motors that i seen didnt hold up well or dyno well....wait wait hold on.. I live on the coast and i think i just seen something..Ill be back
That's OK, sorry it was so obviously necessary.

If you've only seen a few Merch engines dyno'd, it's maybe not enough to be a representative sample, bearing in mind dyno results are as much to do with set up as with what's in the cases when the motor got built.

So:
Do R/T motors have the same features?
Can you give a technical argument for why these features do not provide the benefits that Don suggests?
Or are you just here to wind people up ...?

Sorry, I don't get the bit about living on the coast.
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I hear you loud and clear Monty, thats the rational explanation, and I`d agree with you, but you don`t see all the blurting this guy does, he`s the one fuelling his own fire, put another fucking log on!. ( no disrespect to you Monty).
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Don's skills and experience are'nt the subject matter here. Neither is a discussion of about American labor being outsourced overseas. What I see is the old saw "You get what you pay for". Merch maybe cutting edge, who knows for sure?. I'm sure that there has to be a horror story about EVERY manufacturer's product somewhere. I'm pro-American myself. While some are down on R/T and imports in general, will S&S, TP, Patrick, Merch, etc, etc, pay for the R&R of a suspected malfunctioning unit? I think not. For the price a 3 year/30K mile warranty isn't all that bad. TK.
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