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Old 10-15-2019, 05:28 AM
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First build - beginner questions

Picking up where I left off several years ago - researching for my first build project. I know enough to be dangerous and cost myself $$ which I'd rather avoid. I want to build a bobber - somewhat of a cross between these:

My Evo 5 & speed in FLH 4 speed frame (I really like the look of overall)

http://www.exilecycles.com/index.php...ls/bullfighter (I like the soft seat and spokes)

It seems that all things start with deciding on motor and then the frame to match it? I can't say for sure what motor I'd like - 80 or larger? Not even sure of the tranny - 4 speed vs 5 vs 6. I have a lot of questions!

What I do know is I want a springer front end, spoke wheels, and another set of pegs under me - the rest is flexible.

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Old 10-15-2019, 06:59 AM
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Picking up where I left off several years ago - researching for my first build project. I know enough to be dangerous and cost myself $$ which I'd rather avoid. I want to build a bobber - somewhat of a cross between these:

My Evo 5 & speed in FLH 4 speed frame (I really like the look of overall)

http://www.exilecycles.com/index.php...ls/bullfighter (I like the soft seat and spokes)

It seems that all things start with deciding on motor and then the frame to match it? I can't say for sure what motor I'd like - 80 or larger? Not even sure of the tranny - 4 speed vs 5 vs 6. I have a lot of questions!

What I do know is I want a springer front end, spoke wheels, and another set of pegs under me - the rest is flexible.

Mind helping a newbie?
Sure we'll help.

i think rigid is the simplest and cleanest build. My FLH till 2 mo ago was based on rigid.

In both cases i used a reputable and not very expensive Kraft Tech frames. Standard rakes, zero stretches.

Exile look is a great choice. I love them too. I emulated my dyna chopper with their Pure sex dragster in mind.
The used Daytec as a subcontractor for their frames- excellent frames. I don't think they are in business. Exile parts are expensive.

Springers are very sexy. And the harley repops are in my my opinion the sexiest of them all[ thank god there are more of them out there now] especially when chopped down to 6 under, like Japanese do on their goose-necks[ mine is 4 under]. Raked to 40 degree tops- looks awesome as hell

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Old 10-15-2019, 02:58 PM
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I think Ultima is your best bang for the buck, I have had great performance out of mine with no drive train issues at all..I would go larger than 80ci. I had the Harley 88 and it would strain keeping up with the other guys, it sounded and felt like it was over revving.. and as far as the frame goes , yes rigid is cheapest, but I will never own another one. They are dangerous, They bounce around in curves and they will wear you out on a long ride,,or maybe I am just a puss, but go soft tail..they look just like a rigid....don't regret it later.....and go 6 speed trans,,,the extra gear is marvelous..and you still have that off the line acceleration..
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Old 10-15-2019, 06:46 PM
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Hey guys, thanks for the replies & info.

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And the harley repops are in my my opinion the sexiest of them all[ thank god there are more of them out there now] especially when chopped down to 6 under, like Japanese do on their goose-necks[ mine is 4 under]. Raked to 40 degree tops- looks awesome as hell
Oh we're on the same page on the look man. I know what the rake is but ya lost me with the term "6 under."

I plan to find a local metal shop to mod the frame for me because I do love that stretched look.

Rigid makes sense for simplicity sake - a spring loaded seat would be fine. The link you included took me to a soft-tail. You used a FLH rigid right?

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I think Ultima is your best bang for the buck, I have had great performance out of mine with no drive train issues at all
Why would the frame affect drive train? Alignment of motor and tranny?

Frames in general - what tube size to choose or is it strictly a matter of preference? I imagine the larger the motor the bigger the tube you'd want for strength?

S&S used to be all the rage now I see references to TP (Total Performance?).

Parts in general. Advantages / Disadvantages of scrounging for parts versus purchasing new parts. It seems some parts are best purchased new in order to avoid having to do custom work on them to make them work?
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Old 10-15-2019, 07:09 PM
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[QUOTE=Why would the frame affect drive train? Alignment of motor and tranny?

No I simply mean that I have had no problems out of the drive train,,engine,,transmission, etc..it's all high quality stuff....
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Old 10-15-2019, 07:27 PM
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I was researching triple fork geometry and found this. Does the "6 under" comment refer to trail?

http://trikerdon.50megs.com/fork__geometry_1.htm
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Old 10-15-2019, 07:28 PM
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[quote=Shovel52;1286672][quote=Why would the frame affect drive train? Alignment of motor and tranny?

No I simply mean that I have had no problems out of the drive train,,engine,,transmission, etc..it's all high quality stuff....[/QUOTE]

Ah!! Got it!
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Old 10-16-2019, 06:18 AM
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Hey guys, thanks for the replies & info.


Oh we're on the same page on the look man. I know what the rake is but ya lost me with the term "6 under."

I plan to find a local metal shop to mod the frame for me because I do love that stretched look.

Rigid makes sense for simplicity sake - a spring loaded seat would be fine. The link you included took me to a soft-tail. You used a FLH rigid right?


Why would the frame affect drive train? Alignment of motor and tranny?

Frames in general - what tube size to choose or is it strictly a matter of preference? I imagine the larger the motor the bigger the tube you'd want for strength?

S&S used to be all the rage now I see references to TP (Total Performance?).

Parts in general. Advantages / Disadvantages of scrounging for parts versus purchasing new parts. It seems some parts are best purchased new in order to avoid having to do custom work on them to make them work?
6 under - IS 6 INCHES SHORTER THAN STOCK, WHICH IN MODERN TIMES CONSIDERED TO BE 32"[SOFTAIL].
so over- is the extended forks.

The repop springer i have is 28" total length, which used to be stock for older harleys, NOW IS REGARDED as 4 " UNDER STOCK.
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127"Ultima, Chassis Design rigid 2013 bobber
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Old 10-16-2019, 06:29 AM
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check out these builds based on fryrite drifter goose-neck frame
http://suprememotos.com/custom-built...gineering.html

http://www.chopcult.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47307
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SORRY FOR THE UPPER CASE. I AIN'T YELLING. I JUST MAKE TOO MANY TYPOS IN THE LOWER.

113"s&s, Walz softail 2000/2012 prostreet
96"s&s, Daytec dyna/ softail hybrid, 1998/2010 chopper
127"Ultima, Chassis Design rigid 2013 bobber
120"Ultima, Kraft Tech rigid 2014 bobber

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Old 10-16-2019, 12:39 PM
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You can even go with a Dyna Frame and have it turned into a Proper Rigid.

Unless you want to go full build then go piece by piece.

you can look for a Crossbones and do the same thing, have the rear cut off and done up in a true rigid or have the softail so it looks rigid.


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Old 10-16-2019, 03:27 PM
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Well shoot - now you're just making me drool.

I didn't realize I could pick up something close to what I want at this price. Here's another that's only a few hours west of me. I could theoretically modify it to suit me.

http://suprememotos.com/harley-david...-springer.html
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Old 10-16-2019, 03:32 PM
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Sorry to be dense Spade115 but what's a Crossbones?

And thanks STEINBVG for schooling me on 6 under. Now that makes more sense.
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Old 10-16-2019, 03:46 PM
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its a Harley Davidson Crossbones (2008-2012) it came out mostly the way you want it. Its a softail with a Springer front end, Spokes and ape's but I have seen some with Beach Bars. (Low Wide bars)
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Old 10-16-2019, 03:55 PM
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Well shoot - now you're just making me drool.

I didn't realize I could pick up something close to what I want at this price. Here's another that's only a few hours west of me. I could theoretically modify it to suit me.

http://suprememotos.com/harley-david...-springer.html
Looks good, but I,m not sure if it still fo sale.
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96"s&s, Daytec dyna/ softail hybrid, 1998/2010 chopper
127"Ultima, Chassis Design rigid 2013 bobber
120"Ultima, Kraft Tech rigid 2014 bobber
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Old 10-16-2019, 04:13 PM
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I recently just finished a build of a West Coast Choppers CFL. Personally I would never build another bike from the ground up. I would try and find an older Softail and strip it down and start from there. My other bike is a Softail Springer, it is a great base, just need to cut off a few things and maybe weld on some other things, but all in all Harley got it right the first time. As far as a motor goes I would go with an Ultima as well. Decently priced for the power you get. Pick the motor size based on how you ride, I have a 127" and I am not a big fan of how the power delivery is. I personally like holding the throttle wide open and having a motor revved up high. The 127" is like a big block. just twist and it will go. In my Springer I have an S&S 107" and I love that, revs high and makes a lot of power, but I got a crazy good deal on Craigslist is the only reason I have it.
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