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Old 09-10-2017, 02:54 PM
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Stuck starter

I searched a little but need some help...Brand new 107" evo swapped in a few hundred miles ago running great went to ride the other day fired it up did a look over before leaving running like a champ the about 20 miles down the road I hear this high pitch squealing getting louder come to find out it was my starter still engaged chewed up the starter shaft teeth. What would cause this to engage its an open belt primary 6 speed trans, was not engaged when I left. Turn key switch to start.
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Old 09-10-2017, 05:20 PM
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I searched a little but need some help...Brand new 107" evo swapped in a few hundred miles ago running great went to ride the other day fired it up did a look over before leaving running like a champ the about 20 miles down the road I hear this high pitch squealing getting louder come to find out it was my starter still engaged chewed up the starter shaft teeth. What would cause this to engage its an open belt primary 6 speed trans, was not engaged when I left. Turn key switch to start.
I have a similar setup and at one point the housing for the ignition/ start key shortened the firing circuit keeping the solenoid/ shaft engaged. I heard the same noise.( it didn,t chew the teeth- the starter clutch protected it), I immediately pulled over, disconnected the solenoid trigger wire and restarted the bike with the push button on the solenoid ( big ultima starters come with it and I would recommend everybody to have them, retrofit if necessary)
I ran like this for a day, till I have found the short and fixed it.
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its common with BDL and Ultima drives. Do a search for j/s alignment. Adjusting for best alignment may prevent it from happening again but in my opinion the belt drive fix is the best solution
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Alignment may or may not be an issue here, but as i understood the shaft didn't get stuck from the beginning, but spit out and stuck 20 miles later??? Correct?

If that is the case-something electrically wrong made the solenoid spit it out without pushed start button.

But yes, in order to have perfect alignment, when one bolts the gear on the starter shaft, there must be ~1/8" horizontal clearance between that and the ring gear.
Also , to ensure vertical clearance, before tightening up the ultima starter gear cover- one must push it as high up as the 2 bolt holes allow so the engaging gears have more vertical space between them.

I never had problem with original ultima starter gear misalignment, but I can see that the 3 piece sloppiness of the design of the fix allows much easier engagement.
I used a harley setup of similar design when was constructing my on off open chain drive

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It all makes sense. I needed a new gear anyways but let me ask this...what if I changed out my switch to just an off/on switch and put one of the solenoid push buttons on the starter and use that?
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It all makes sense. I needed a new gear anyways but let me ask this...what if I changed out my switch to just an off/on switch and put one of the solenoid push buttons on the starter and use that?
Yes, it's a simpler design, but it is more convenient to make the solenoid and not your finger do the job.

Besides, if the engine suddenly dies and you want to restart the bike in traffic, it's tough to bend over and push that solenoid button- need get off the bike.

Even with a simple Pep Boys 30 amp[no need for relay] on-off-on-start key switch one can turn it effortlessly while sitting on the bike...even if it's located low, somewhere next to the oil tank or starter,[ like on my bikes]

Having said that, i would still have that solenoid push button - in case solenoid dies. Cheap insurance- $15? to get you home.
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