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Old 02-02-2010, 06:24 AM
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How china is quietly killing american manufacturing businesses!

L. Ronald Scheman, “Free trade isn’t so free”
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Free trade isn’t so free, Washington Times

L. Ronald Scheman

12/30/2009

Two recent reports from China point to one of the major challenges facing the Obama administration in formulating trade policy.

First the Chinese National Bureau of Statistics revised Chinese growth projections for 2010 to 9.6 percent. Then Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao strongly rejected pressures to allow its currency to be guided by market forces, purporting that demands to allow the renminbi to appreciate “were an effort to contain the country’s development.”

While China’s determination to promote development is its internal matter, policies that spill over its borders are the concern of all. Policies that foster almost 10 percent growth in the midst of world economies that are gasping for air expose a fundamental systemic problem that must be addressed.

The commitment to free trade that has dominated U.S. policy since World War II has produced enormous benefits to a growing global population. It has helped to increase production, lower prices and bring millions of people out of poverty. However a substantial question remains as to whether trade is really free if the currencies that set prices are not.

The complex issues of free international trade have one simple truth at their core. The value of products traded across borders is determined by the currency in which the trade takes place. Purported “free” trade without freely traded currencies is a charade.

Currency values affect the end price of products the same way as tariffs over which much wrangling takes place at the World Trade Organization. A product manufactured in China for 680 renminbi would be imported into the United States for $100 at the current exchange rate of 6.8 renminbi to $1. If the exchange rate were 5/$1, the product would sell for $136.

Ironically, the Chinese today are joining the chorus blaming the excesses of the U.S. consumer and a liberal U.S. financial market for the current financial crisis. This perception blatantly overlooks a crucial factor.

The U.S. consumer was responding to the value equation in the internal U.S. market. Chinese control of the renminbi kept their goods cheap in comparison to U.S. goods. Currency distortions also made investment in Chinese manufacturing profitable and investment in U.S. manufacturing costly.

Economists the world over emphasize that rebalancing aggregate global demand to raise consumption in the surplus economies is basic to the long-term sustainability of the international economy. In this context pricing, resulting from currency exchange rates, is a major influence on consumer behavior.

Two other implications, however, have equally serious consequences. First, as the dollar declines against other currencies but remains tied to the Renminbi, the Renminbi is effectively accompanying the dollar in devaluingagainst those currencies.

This makes Chinese goods even cheaper in other countries, especially other developing countries. Second, China’s ballooning trade surplus produces commodity buying in the West that spurs the same commodity bubbles that ignited the recent financial imbalances.

In the developing countries this imbalance has been devastating.

Chinese exports to these countries have risen dramatically since the dollar began to weaken. China’s policy may help create jobs in China but it is a “beggar thy neighbor” policy in regard to the poorer countries, decimating local industry. The well-known fury of anti-globalization activists is attributable far more to job loss from undervalued Chinese goods than to any policies of other developed countries.

While we have little power to induce the Chinese to revalue their currency there are other alternatives to redress the current estimates of an approximate 25 percent undervaluation of the renminbi. Commensurate tariffs on Chinese goods is the logical instrument. Such overriding tariffs should be accepted as fair global policy when faced with controlled currencies that have fallen dramatically out of alignment.

We should also be attentive to more profound implications of Chinese policy. Chinese strategic literature emphasizes that other instruments, not military ones, will be determinative for China’s role in the world.
The reality of today’s exchange rate policies is that China is gradually draining the industrial strength of the West just as surely as if they were bombing its factories. As they well know, currency manipulation is a stealth instrument of economic competition.

Economists are almost unanimous in their assessment that a balanced global economy requires a shift in consumption to the currency surplus countries. The easiest and least painful way to do this is for all major actors in global trade to play by the same rules in regard to currencies. If the Chinese are unwilling or unable to do this on their own, it is time to consider policies that do it for them.

L. Ronald Scheman, author of “Greater America” (New York University Press, 2003) is former United States executive director of the Inter-American Development Bank.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-isnt-so-free/

Has anyone here lost their job recently at a manufacturing company that has been affected by CHINESE competitors?
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Old 02-02-2010, 07:17 AM
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Old 02-02-2010, 08:21 AM
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Finally an intelligent well reasoned case for case specific tariffs.
Unfortunately implementing them is made even harder by the fact the China is buying and holding massive amounts of US debt.
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Old 02-02-2010, 09:10 AM
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i believe in global free trade and believe in chinas right to sell products as well as manufacturer them the problem as i see it is there ability to do so without constraints. i know im over simplifying it but tariffs should be charged on three fronts, laborer rights (work conditions, pay and over time),copyright and patent infringements, and finally enviormental detriment. these are all rules we and other countries (japan included) must abide to but because china holds a large amount of dedt over our heads they get a free pass.

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Old 02-02-2010, 11:36 AM
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Quietly??? That is hillarious! There is NOTHING quiet about this situation - it has been screaming at America for more than a decade.

Even my 7 year old son (a couple years back) made the statement "why is everything made in China?"

Debt is a bitc* for sure - and politicians are limited in their ability to stop this machine. The fact is, if we stopped taking receipt of Chinese goods tomorrow - it would have deep impacts on every part of our society. Yes - we are hooked on cheap Chinese goods.

The worst part of all of this? They are COMMUNISTS... What our fathers, grandfathers, and their dads fought so hard to stop the spread of, we are now fostering and helping to grow at record speeds, and economic growth levels.

It is Shameful.
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Old 02-02-2010, 06:15 PM
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I do not think the word "SHAMEFUL" actual describes the state of our nation or the direction we have gone over the past few years.

I just hope that the dogooders & flower planters are happy ....

We should have been doing just like these outside countries have been doing us for years - limit the sales of the items from those specific countries that limit OUR items in their country. Tit for Tat.

But alas ...... I will continue to keep my money as close to the vest as possible & limit, at all costs, my spending to these countries.

I will however be one of the first to donate to the erection of a large fence around this country & believe in retreiving ALL of our military to man that wall.

Just speaking my peace - something these other countries don't let their people do.

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You can thank mostly OUR big manufacturing companies for cutting OUR throats.
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Old 02-02-2010, 07:42 PM
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More so the greedy corporate fat cats that line their pockets off the sweat of the little guy that's doing the work ..... IMO

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It is pretty simple...don't buy, ask friends and family to not buy. If you don't buy it, they can't sell it.
If you like buying cheap stuff...get used to less work and lower paying jobs.
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I do not think the word "SHAMEFUL" actual describes the state of our nation or the direction we have gone over the past few years.
The word was to describe our support of a communist nation after having worked to stop the spread of it for so many generations - not the direction of our country - that word would be "Socialist" j/k

Main Entry: shame·ful
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I work internationally and am in China about four times a year.

As one earlier poster said...they are all communists?

To be honest...the Chinese aren't really commnunists anymore...they aren't really anything.

They don't have any faith in anything...and if you ever make it to Beijin you will understand that they are about as capitalistic as we are. The Red Party still controls the army..but they definately don't control the minds of the average chinese citizen.

I could go on..and on...but I don't think that I will find much of an audience on this forum.

Korea and China have done well in the aftermarket motorcycle parts categories as all of us know....

Incidently...I totally agree that we should be working towards free trade etc...but I don't think that the general US citizen has learned their lesson yet...in our debt society.
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Old 02-03-2010, 02:34 AM
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This is simply is the economics of success. The more successful a given country becomes the higher wages and more benefits it can bestow upon it's workers. With higher paid workers it becomes increasingly harder for a company operating in that country to effectively produce a labor intensive product at a competitive price.

Now I am all for slapping China with import tariffs to try to pressure them into letting the market dictate the value of their currency and I would like to see the whole world do the same. But the loss of manufacturing jobs is just a symptom of success and if China were to sink into the sea tomorrow those goods would just be manufactured elsewhere but the jobs wouldn't magically return to the USA because thankfully the US (and most of Western civilization) has done so well recently it just wouldn't be efficient and efficiency is a cornerstone of any successful business.
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Old 02-03-2010, 04:29 AM
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alot of the problem is with us buying the crap . we are aways looking for a deal and drift toward the cheep junk,,, start buying from your own soil when you can and help out a brother.
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Old 02-03-2010, 08:06 AM
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its amazing that i infact always try to buy an american product case being, i needed some an-6 fittings there was a choice of russels and a noname brand that is just as good quality for half the price(gotta be made in china) so i bought the russel fittings and they came with the made in china logo on the package. twice the price for me to get angry!!!!!!!
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Folks can point their fingers at whomever they want but ultimately you need to point that finger right back at yourself. Our desire to get cheaper stuff our new idea that everything is disposable and basically the thought that we should not have to pay a fair price for things but instead pay a discount price is what has caused this. China would not be selling this shit if we weren't buying it, neither would custom chrome or any of the other suppliers.

So while it's nice to blame someone else(it's another downfall of our society is the inability to take the blame) ultimately it's all of our fault. Just like our last year has been tanked that is our fault for putting these idiots in office.

If we are going to get out of these woe's we have to start taking responsiblity for our own actions and quit expecting big brother to make it all better for us. This country used to be full of self reliant creative people, now it's full of people waiting for their handout and to be taken care of.
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