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Old 07-13-2012, 04:52 AM
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Texas chopper builders EPA question

Before i order the engine for this pig, years ago they were just beginning some deal where you could only build one non-EPA cert'd engine chopper per lifetime. When i called TP, he thought that just applied to CA.

can anyone point me to anything official showing that i don't have to worry about that? obviously i'd MUCH rather get the performance engine than the EPA one, just want to make sure i'm not limiting myself in the future. thanks!!
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There will not be anything official for something that is not in force.
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Old 07-13-2012, 06:02 AM
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Not sure about Texas, but although that is the rule in California I've never heard of it being enforced. The DMV clerks here encounter so few special construction bikes you have to talk them through the process. And neither the CHP, the DMV, or CARB (California Clean Air Board) have the process or facilities to inspect engines for EPA compliance.

The original purpose of the rule (in California) was to keep small motorcycle manufacturers from building multitudes of non-EPA bikes but look at WCC, BBC and others and all the bikes they built. None of those bikes come close to being EPA compliant.

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Old 07-13-2012, 08:26 AM
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um, is there a cop out there that can tell you the difference between a epa and non epa motor? if you're really concerned about it, title it in someone elses name then transfer the title to you.
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Old 07-13-2012, 09:23 AM
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Not sure about Texas, but although that is the rule in California I've never heard of it being enforced. The DMV clerks here encounter so few special construction bikes you have to talk them through the process. And neither the CHP, the DMV, or CARB (California Clean Air Board) have the process or facilities to inspect engines for EPA compliance.

The original purpose of the rule (in California) was to keep small motorcycle manufacturers from building multitudes of non-EPA bikes but look at WCC, BBC and others and all the bikes they built. None of those bikes come close to being EPA compliant.

WCC had to pay a shitload of fines, like 270K, for non-compliant bikes. But those were CARB violations, so those laws are Cali exclusive. Unless you plan on building lots of bikes every year, I wouldn't worry.

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Old 07-13-2012, 11:18 AM
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Not sure about Texas, but although that is the rule in California I've never heard of it being enforced. The DMV clerks here encounter so few special construction bikes you have to talk them through the process. And neither the CHP, the DMV, or CARB (California Clean Air Board) have the process or facilities to inspect engines for EPA compliance.

The original purpose of the rule (in California) was to keep small motorcycle manufacturers from building multitudes of non-EPA bikes but look at WCC, BBC and others and all the bikes they built. None of those bikes come close to being EPA compliant.

interesting that even CA isn't saying much about it. I didn't expect anyone to check the engine later, but i wondered if they didn't look at the paperwork for an EPA cert. I guess in FL i had to walk them through the paperwork too.

guessing i'll be rolling the dice on the performance model. Now just need to get that quote back from TP...
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Old 07-13-2012, 11:58 AM
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