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Old 04-15-2018, 11:03 AM
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My 2004 Iron Horse Texas Chopper wonít start !!!

Hello Chopper owners,
I’m a new owner of a 2004 Iron Horse Texas Chopper and I’m having a problem starting this beast. I bought it as is and the bike hasn’t ran in a while.
Here is what I’ve tried so far :
I Got brand new battery for it
I Rebuild , clean the carburetor,
Drain the old gas and got new gas for it .
Replaced the spark plugs ,
Replaced the coils and the spark plug wires,
Did an oil change and oil filter.
I did change the fuses-(not all of them just the small ones)

Currently I do get spark when I crank it, the gas/carburetor works well and I still can’t get it to start up. I’m not sure what else can be wrong here??? I need your help.
Thanks in advance .
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Old 04-15-2018, 04:28 PM
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Hello Chopper owners,
Iím a new owner of a 2004 Iron Horse Texas Chopper and Iím having a problem starting this beast. I bought it as is and the bike hasnít ran in a while.
Here is what Iíve tried so far :
I Got brand new battery for it
I Rebuild , clean the carburetor,
Drain the old gas and got new gas for it .
Replaced the spark plugs ,
Replaced the coils and the spark plug wires,
Did an oil change and oil filter.
I did change the fuses-(not all of them just the small ones)

Currently I do get spark when I crank it, the gas/carburetor works well and I still canít get it to start up. Iím not sure what else can be wrong here??? I need your help.
Thanks in advance .
Gimi
What carb do you have? How do you judge that it supplies fuel adequately?
If you take off the filter, can you see accelerator pump spray????
Now,
Do you use enricher or choke?

It,s tough to start a motor after a long period of inactivity.
After winter it may take several cranks with choke to hear it catch and finally fire. There,s no way I could start without choke...even then:

The battery should be top notch, high CCA, because if it drops voltage slightly below the specs, it might still be cranking, but modern ignition modules may refuse to energize the coil for spark...
Good idea is to crank with spark plugs out, oil everything up. Then recharge and then again try to fire up already oiled motor.

Sometimes with so many cranks, you actually flood the plugs- you will smell it. Then you need to dry the plugs and the chambers and try again.
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Hi StainBVG, thanks for sharing your thoughts . I did try the enriched and it still
Doesn’t start. I also got a brand new battery for it.to make sure that I’m supplying the right voltage. I did remove the air filter and the accelerator pump does sorry gas. It has the stock carburetor. I’m not sure if the carb is supplying the right amount of gas but I know that I don’t get any signs of starting . As I’m cranking the engine I get the same sound and no gas explosions inside the engine at all. I even tried a start fluid and no change at all. I pulled the spark plugs out dries them off and tried again without any success . Not sure if this bike has a module that controls the igniters or any safety switch that can prevent the engine start ?
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:38 AM
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Hi StainBVG, thanks for sharing your thoughts . I did try the enriched and it still
Doesnít start. I also got a brand new battery for it.to make sure that Iím supplying the right voltage. I did remove the air filter and the accelerator pump does sorry gas. It has the stock carburetor. Iím not sure if the carb is supplying the right amount of gas but I know that I donít get any signs of starting . As Iím cranking the engine I get the same sound and no gas explosions inside the engine at all. I even tried a start fluid and no change at all. I pulled the spark plugs out dries them off and tried again without any success . Not sure if this bike has a module that controls the igniters or any safety switch that can prevent the engine start ?
It's only can be 2 things- fuel and spark...it looks like you have fuel. Although some guys complain of such lean conditions, that it's very hard to start bike even with a choke. sometimes they even place hand over the air intake to make the mixture even more rich.
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You said you have spark? Definitely?

What CCA rating battery do you have? I would not use anything less than 310 CCA on big cube Harley.

How vigorously the starter cranks with plugs in? Do you have compression releases?
Remember, with the plugs out[ when you check the spark] it's less compression/effort for the battery and the ignition module may allow to produce spark, but not while the plugs in.
doubt you have a manual switch somewhere- otherwise you wouldn't be able to see spark at all.

ALMOST FORGOT, HAS THE BIKE RUN BEFORE? HOW MANY MILES?
I WONDER IF THE IGNITION IS TIMED CORRECTLY. COIL WIRED APPROPRIATELY?[FRONT AND REAR NOT MISTAKEN?]
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I did have some intermittent spark issues before I changed the Spark plugs and the coils and coil jumpers.
I also redid the coil wiring that comes from the fuse box and I kept everything the same. Now I have strong spark every time I crank the engine. The battery is a Harley rated battery. The bike ran before and It has 12,000 miles on it. The compression is good.

I did read one article on this site written by chopperfugger that the American Iron Horse designed an electrical system by wiring a kill safety into the brain or ignitor. By doing this he is mentioning that the ECM will cut out on American Iron Horse when anything in the system shorts out and then it will miraculously restart later after it resets. He also states that you need to cut out the line that goes back to the ECM to cause the interrupt!!!???? I have no idea what he means by this. This is an old post back in 2012. I wish I know where this line is so I can disconnect it.

Thanks again for your help. I'm getting very close to hearing this beast work.
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I did have some intermittent spark issues before I changed the Spark plugs and the coils and coil jumpers.
I also redid the coil wiring that comes from the fuse box and I kept everything the same. Now I have strong spark every time I crank the engine. The battery is a Harley rated battery. The bike ran before and It has 12,000 miles on it. The compression is good.

I did read one article on this site written by chopperfugger that the American Iron Horse designed an electrical system by wiring a kill safety into the brain or ignitor. By doing this he is mentioning that the ECM will cut out on American Iron Horse when anything in the system shorts out and then it will miraculously restart later after it resets. He also states that you need to cut out the line that goes back to the ECM to cause the interrupt!!!???? I have no idea what he means by this. This is an old post back in 2012. I wish I know where this line is so I can disconnect it.

Thanks again for your help. I'm getting very close to hearing this beast work.
I wish you had tried to fire bike without any of those updates you have made first. Have you? it could have worked as it was...And if i change something, i would introduce only one thing at a time- after which test running the bike...

but what's done is done,

Well. I don't know about that kill switch, but given you have spark- its not what holds the start back, correct?
So you have the fuel supply, and you have the spark.

It must attempt to fire !!! Unless the timing is completely off[ i hope you didn't switch the front and rear wires on the coil- don't mean to insult you, but it happens]
if that is correct- I would clarify or statically time the ignition from scratch- pretty simple to do.
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:58 AM
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I did try to start the bike before I did anything and it was doing the same thing. Actually I had intermittent spark back then. I did see some cut/loose wires going to the coils and that's why I redid those. I will try to switch the jumpers from front to rear to see if its going to make a difference. I messaged Chopperfugger to see if he can assist with more details towards the safety kill.
Ill keep trying to get this fixed.
Thank you so much for your help. Have a great day.
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Old 04-16-2018, 11:04 AM
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Thanks Vitaly, I appreciate it your help.
Ill try to troubleshoot the ignition. Hopefully I can post good news next time.
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Old 04-17-2018, 09:26 AM
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Not sure if you already have this. If not, it may be some help.
http://www.americanironhorse.org/ind...per%202007.pdf
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Old 04-23-2018, 06:21 PM
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Hey Gimi -

Sorry - I saw the post the other day and just got back to it.
Yeah - it's true about Iron Horse - they tried to do a good job with the ECM but
went overboard with the interrupt connection. I cant find my Texas Chopper schematic.
It's been a couple laptops since then. It is simple fix just cut the wire and tape it off.
If you find a schem I will tell you which wire fer sure. Clip it and forget it. There are
schematics floating around Club Chopper.

Of course - Steinberg is correct that if it has spark the ECM should be in run condition
but still need to cut that wire. But the interrupt thing is tricky cause it resets causing
confusioon as in "that ain't it"

Listening to your work you did - and if there is spark ......and gas........then the spark
might not be at the right time - I would swap spark plug wires and give it a try.
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