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Old 08-19-2009, 07:39 PM
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one company sells theme bikes to large company's and one sells bikes to the well off public . right ?
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Old 08-19-2009, 07:49 PM
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got this link off the OCC website . check out the models / prices and the 1 of a kind split back . can't see many being sold at those prices .

( 51 K for a production bike ? )



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Have you priced a WCC built bike? These bikes are not priced for the blue collar guy. I do have Saxons for those guys looking to spend under $30K. Whatever someone wants to ride is OK by me. It doesn't matter to me whether they want to buy an OCC bike,WC bike,Flyrite,Brass Ball,Big Dog,Saxon,whatever-it is all good with me and you won't EVER see me dogging someone because of what they ride,build or sell.
Someone on here was saying that OCC doesn't know or care how to set trail and rake on a bike-that person has not ridden an OCC bike because they are some of the best handling bikes out there. I don't mind someone stating their opinion as whether or not they like something as long as they get the facts straight. until you actually ride an OCC production bike then you have no business saying that they are POS to ride. As far as my sales-well it really is none of your business-how much did you make last year? I don't expect you to answer that question. I have sold OCC bikes and I have sold OCC parts. Do they make a bunch of parts to sell on the open market?-NO. Are they planning on going into that side of the business? Yes. Is the time right to do that at the present time? No.
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one company sells theme bikes to large company's and one sells bikes to the well off public . right ?
Um,the right answer is one company sells to the well off public and one sells theme bikes to large companies and bikes to the well off public. BTW,we also sell rolling chassis-have sold a few in the past year or so. A couple of months ago,Soaring Eagle Casino here in Michigan bought a theme bike and 3 production bikes to give away. For a company that isn't in the bike business,OCC seems to be selling quite a few bikes that are built at the shop in NY,but hey,what do I know?
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Not trying to spin anything. Both of those companies cater to high rollers who can afford the big dollar bike without thinking of the price. For a lot of their customers $51K is chump change.

I defend OCC's theme bikes because I think they are creative. Would I own one of their bikes - no way. Would I own any builders bike - no way. Would I own an AIH, Big Dog, etc. - no way. For me it's the big guys (MOCO, Honda, Ducatti, etc.) or something I put together for me. Besides my addiction is in making old, busted up bikes come back to life.

Others attack OCC's theme bikes because OCC has a lot more money than they do.
Others attack OCC's theme bikes because they're making a point, and the point is that they are a TV show and that is where their success and money comes from. Television and t shirts. Not from building and selling bikes. Are some of the theme bikes goofy, yes. Does it matter, no. They are exploiting the fact that corporations will pay for their bikes to get advertising for their company on show with lots of viewers. Might as well call it an advertising fee. Nothing wrong with that, it's just the way it is. If their ratings dip and they will no longer be able to command big money for a theme bike. End of story. (Why do I feel like that won't be the end of the story?)

Spin away, spin doctors.

Truth be told, most people are cattle anyways. They don't have any taste or any clue what looks good or bad. They need to be let around by the ballsack. Most never have an original idea.

Billy Lane builds a bike with an airplane hood ornament, ugly gas tank, and bathroom fixtures, and the copies pop up.

Indian Larry builds a rigid bobber with a peanut tank and apes, and you see the copies pop up.

Same for Detroit brothers, Jessie James, and whoever else is the cool flavor of the day.

Hey, I've got a good idea, lets put some model T tail lights that say fuck you, and some floor boards, a jockey shifter with a beer tap handle, and a foot clutch with a chain. Yeah, that would be really cool.

Some builders put out some nice bikes, Walz, Rooke, and Roland Sands come to mind.

Funny though, I haven't seen any OCC knock offs. They must be out there though, just not as many. Every once in a while, Jr. puts out a decent looking bike too. So far everthing Sr. has come up with is an absolute abortion. How about that brown and tan Sr. dream bike? Jesus Christ. And the clown looking red bike with the Barnum and Bailey paint scheme. Greenie, the POW bike, damn he builds some ugly shit. In my humble opinion of course.
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Um,the right answer is one company sells to the well off public and one sells theme bikes to large companies and bikes to the well off public. BTW,we also sell rolling chassis-have sold a few in the past year or so. A couple of months ago,Soaring Eagle Casino here in Michigan bought a theme bike and 3 production bikes to give away. For a company that isn't in the bike business,OCC seems to be selling quite a few bikes that are built at the shop in NY,but hey,what do I know?
You know how to keep a secret, like how many bikes you and OCC sell.
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Um,the right answer is one company sells to the well off public and one sells theme bikes to large companies and bikes to the well off public. BTW,we also sell rolling chassis-have sold a few in the past year or so. A couple of months ago,Soaring Eagle Casino here in Michigan bought a theme bike and 3 production bikes to give away. For a company that isn't in the bike business,OCC seems to be selling quite a few bikes that are built at the shop in NY,but hey,what do I know?



good for you , I really don't care one way or another . I just find it interesting that the OCC faithful love to talk about history and art . but I have never seen an OCC bike on the street . now I have seen a WCC ( or clone ) at most bike events . any bites on that split back for 51K ? is that price cast in stone or can ya come down for me ? whats the OTD price ?
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good for you , I really don't care one way or another . I just find it interesting that the OCC faithful love to talk about history and art . but I have never seen an OCC bike on the street . now I have seen a WCC ( or clone ) at most bike events . any bites on that split back for 51K ? is that price cast in stone or can ya come down for me ? whats the OTD price ?
$51,000 is a lot of money for that bike.
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How about that green POS ? ya I gotta have one of those . just for the artistic value . instead of a helmet does it come with a red french beret ?
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OCC's success is a testament to the stupidity of the average American.
"Truth be told, most people are cattle anyways. They don't have any taste or any clue what looks good or bad. They need to be let around by the ballsack. Most never have an original idea".

You know what, this is the second time you have made reference to MOST and AVERAGE people.
What you are saying is most people are Inferior and you are superior.
There's a word for that in Psychology. I think it's something like "FEELINGS of GRANDEUR"!! I am startin to think you really need some couch time for this and "ENVY"!! You need to remember your just like everyone else. Most Americans are quite smart thank you and no one needs to be lead around by there nuts. Americans ARE the most CREATIVE people on this earth and not to mention the start of this country by Individuals that wanted to find there own way in life. Get off the high horse and be happy for the Tuttels!!:
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How about that green POS ? ya I gotta have one of those . just for the artistic value . instead of a helmet does it come with a red french beret ?
You get a Schwinn scooter helmet.

OCC is groundbreaking in one way. They're the only manufacturer with a top rated show, that felt the need to become a dealer for other legitimate bike brands and scooters even. Isn't that a step in the wrong direction? Talk about smacking of desperation. These guys are trying to compare OCC to Ford Motor Company. I wonder if Ford Motor Co. is trying to become a Hyudai dealer?

I wonder how well the other custom bike builders would have done if they had their own show. Hell, they're outselling OCC right now.
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was there a camel bike made...seen one tonight where i hang out was yellow with a camel on the tank...was i looking at history
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"Truth be told, most people are cattle anyways. They don't have any taste or any clue what looks good or bad. They need to be let around by the ballsack. Most never have an original idea".

You know what, this is the second time you have made reference to MOST and AVERAGE people.
What you are saying is most people are Inferior and you are superior.
There's a word for that in Psychology. I think it's something like "FEELINGS of GRANDEUR"!! I am startin to think you really need some couch time for this and "ENVY"!! You need to remember your just like everyone else. Most Americans are quite smart thank you and no one needs to be lead around by there nuts. Americans ARE the most CREATIVE people on this earth and not to mention the start of this country by Individuals that wanted to find there own way in life. Get off the high horse and be happy for the Tuttels!!:
It's a statement, chill out. I didn't invent the word average. It means people in the middle, not the top or bottom, just average. Where do you fall? You would really impress me more if you could progress beyond a third grade spelling level while you're trying to put me in my place.
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was there a camel bike made...seen one tonight where i hang out was yellow with a camel on the tank...was i looking at history
Only if it was a camel toe.
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Truth be told, most people are cattle anyways. They don't have any taste or any clue what looks good or bad. They need to be let around by the ballsack. Most never have an original idea.
So what you're saying is that if someone's taste in bikes differs from your taste they don't have any taste or any clue what looks good or bad.

I now understand where you're coming from. If you ever see anything you like on any of my bikes, let me know so I can change it.
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