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Old 10-22-2008, 09:33 PM
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My retirement plan, like my personal funds, are self-directed. And I've never taken a risk to "make the big killing" in anything other than businesses I control. I've never had those paper stock market gains of 19-25% a year with risk - I've always been satisfied with 10-11% with little to no risk. The only stock I own is Harley - and that's only because I wanted some certificates 30 or so years ago since I thought it would be something I could show my kids framed next to my motorcycle collection.

And you're right, I am in a very small minority - of people that know what their doing and how to make a buck. And we are the people that Obama, Biden and now Frank wants to rob of our money to give to the lazy wellfair and entitlement demanding Democrats.

Everything I have came from my own labor, drive and willingness to work 7 days a week and 16 hours a day for a lot of years. None of my business interests are in any way related to war. And if I feel the need to make more money I'll just work harder to do it.

I had asked DA how the last 8 years affected him personally. Besides the loss of his daddy's trust fund he didn't respond.
The only way the last 8 years have affected me is that I got to pay less in taxes and those funds were used to keep a loosing business afloat and it's 10 employees employed. I've already put my employees on notice that if Obama gets in and raises the corporate taxes or requires I spend additional money on health insurance I will be closing the business or moving production to Thiland.

And thinking that no one should listen to successful people is the reason why there are so many middle class people - they don't listen to those that know, they only listen to politicians who's claim to fame is either marrying money or being able to pass the political science finals in college.

And Bosco, I know you wont bother to read what I just typed, or if you do you wont understand it. But I sure hope everyone on this site knows enough not to listen to anything you say.
I understand what you are saying and you cant have your cake and eat it to, you either dont mind being taxed more or you want to end this war but you cant have both, its just that simple

Also I find it interesting that what you are essentially saying is that anyone who makes under 250k is a welfare case with there hand out. I think that covers just about the whole board.

So, you made your point I understand your position but I dont agree with it. While I am not real thrilled with either of the two candidates, as of now Obama has made the case of why he would be the better president, McCain had every opportunity to make his case how he would be better but instead he wastes his time with the fear and smear on Obama. We just had 8 year of that same thing, and I'm tired of it. McCain does not offer any chance of any kind. He so much as says so also.

I am a private contractor in the tech field, and with my job literally being exported to people in India I need the break for whatever work I am able to get.

To be blunt, I really dont give a shit if you go to Thailand this year for vacation or only Hawaii. You will still get to take a vacation whereas allot of people are just worrying about staying in there house or paying the bills or feeding there family, now I know you dont give a shit you have so much as said so but thats just about everyone on the board.

This has nothing to do with sub prime loans or welfare, its has to do with the inflation that is lowering the value of the dollar in which people like yourself are hardly affected. I have nothing against you personally, I cant say that I blame you for your position but at the same time understand there are allot of people who are not so lucky and it has nothing to do with the character of the person. Its just rough all over for most.

Lets see if you read my post now.....
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Old 10-22-2008, 10:43 PM
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Bosco,

Man..... I've read a lot of your posts lately. I'm positive that you already know that I disagree with about 99% of what you write. I really didn't need to tell you this I'm sure.

I do respect the conviction you have, misplaced as I believe it is.

I disagree with your reasoning, your logic, your conclusions, even your sources (often).

I just wonder if you realize that your opinions are just that........ your opinions. They are not facts just because you see it that way. Perspective never ceases to amaze me.... but it is very true that what we see depends largely on where we stand.

I believe you post here in an attempt to convince others of their wrong thinking and enlighten them with the way it really is.

However I suspect that your posts have done more to convince the "other side" that as long as your position is diametrically opposed to theirs............ they are standing right where they should be.

At least we live in a country that allows and actually supports our rights as free men to disagree and debate our beliefs....... at a time when our nation is about to appoint a new government for us all. We have much to be thankful for in America....... we sometimes lose sight of what we have when we are looking at what we don't have.

No insults or name calling intended. Honest discourse.

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Eight years ago our nation's two biggest problems were a President with an intern's mouth wrapped around his dick and what to do with all the surplus money in the treasury. Now we've got a President who can't get his dick out of his own ear and a bankrupt country. Does anyone really think we need four more years of this shit?
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:29 PM
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DevilDog, you dont have to agree with me, I only ask that you at least try and understand where Im coming from. There is always two sides to everything. I think you do, and I think you still disagree with me, which is fine. But this isnt about just the two of us, many people can read this and they might not reply but they understand what I mean.

I was wrong to force my opinion onto everyone (as my former user name) and to be honest was an asshole, not that I dont mind being an asshole some of it was unfounded.

Perspective is important, you even said it yourself and while is is only an opinion. My opinionis simply that I think its still important to see both sides. If you've noticed since I dont want either if these candidates so I willl post shit for or against both sides.

I cant believe that people really just want to think in such small terms as "one side only", I have to believe that people are smart enough to see that while whichever argument is being presented, there is always an opposing argument just as good.

Being in sales and an ex con, I dont believe anything I hear and only half of what I see.

Thats just me, It would be safe to say I have "trust" issues.....

Another thing I think is worth mentioning, while I love this country I cant believe that this is as good as it gets. While I do enjoy to exercise my right of free speech I also believe that we have allot of room for growth which is why I think this country is truly the best country in the world. Every four years we have the chance to make it "better" unlike most countries. So if I bitch and complain about current events, its really my disappointment on what we are doing as a nation.

I will always defend this country, I will always fight for the Constitution of this country but I will also say something if, by example we aren't acting like we should as a country. Its not that I have a problem with our country its just that I know we are better then whatever it is we are doing wrong. Nothing is perfect but we cant stop the pursuit of perfection, then we become just another country.

While it is the mindset of most to rest on our laurels and say what a great place this is I want to continue the American experiment and see what else we could be.
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Old 10-23-2008, 01:15 AM
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There are only two things a government can do to affect the economy, raise taxes, or, lower taxes.
The former is bad the later is good.
It's as simple as that.
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Listen up people of this republic. First of all, if you haven't voted in the last four primary elections, you no old enough to see all the problems. Secondly, that (lowest rated) congress in history under Pilosy and Reed have blocked any and every measure there was to keep check of the banking and mortgage problems were have now. Greed from AIG execs. and the other crooks hiding the truth, being frauds to the American public and running with the money, spending it or banking it for their retirement, has us up against the wall blaming who????? Obama hasn't proved he could fix anything, budget anything, or show a working plan for anything. He has connected with individuals to doop Americans only to loose more of what they have in their pockets...... Vote where the justice is...and with who will answer the questions.
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Dear Debbie ........... If only you’d have listened.
Who knew Thurston Howell III was a member of C/C! I cant believe the government hasnt snatched you up and locked you away in a lab under a mountain some where since you are so clairvoyant about all things financial!! With all your determinations, predictions and daddy's trust you should be about the richest guy out there!! Dam you Debbie!! If only you had listened!!!
Thats why you dont see a problem with the obama plan! you dont sweat and suffer for your money!! If obama takes some you'll just shoot an email or cert letter to debbie telling her where your crystal ball says to spend daddy's money to make you more!! when curious george said spread the wealth he didnt mean invest it on other continents!! he ment give some of that money debbie made/lost you to a bunch of beggers!
This whole "crash" is the best thing that ever could have happened!! now all the rich assholes who make money off others backs will suffer!! hopefully there will be mass suicide as the market gets lower and lower!! I hope major businesses go belly up and billions are lost!! This way we get a fresh staret and those who are willing to work and suffer for their sucess will reap the most!! once your (not just you/all your ilk) confidential money is gone your emails will no longer have any power and you might actually have to GASP!! SAY IT ISNT SO!!! work more then 40 hrs other then 9-5!!!
I cant wait to see all these wall street types working at one job for all the hrs they can then going to their weekend job!!
Probably will never see it!! they dont have it in em to sweat and suffer, especially if it clashes with martini time!!
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Old 10-23-2008, 04:12 AM
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Destroyer: DA ran from my economic questions that I posted on another thread, he never returned to the thread to answer them. His economic knowledge comes down to one word..........GOOGLE!!!
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"A rising tide lifts all boats", right Tommy?
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Old 10-23-2008, 06:54 AM
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Bosco - I did read what you wrote and I actually wrote a rather long response. Then I decided it's not worth it (responding) and deleted it.

I'll just follow LSCTommy's lead and make responses very short.

A vote for Obama is a vote for socialism.
(and we're all going to die).
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Old 10-23-2008, 08:34 AM
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A vote for McCain is vote for more of the same!

There, I can keep it short also.
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Yea, that's right. Until you get torpedoed.
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