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Old 09-09-2008, 06:24 PM
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Anybody who thinks our boarders are just at the beach and Mexico and Canada is about as Naive as my 3 year old cousin. Can anyone here spell MISSILE! Or NUCLEAR! Somebody dig up Reagan!!!

Rice- I know you say we are not safe. But facts are facts. Denying them only makes it seem like facts don't hold water to you. If that's the way you want itto be then so be it. I prefer REALITY!!!and a big dose of it !!

Ralph- Securing our boarders is very important and believe it or not WE can do 2 things at once. Yeah..Who knew!!! I never listen to Rush and I do like Sean because he's level headed and deals in reality, but since you don't like him and your secretly a big lib where else can you get your info from. 98 % of all the newspapers, TV, Radio , Magazines, Internet sites are all COMMIE SOCIALIST LIBS that hate there own country. Good luck with that in trying to inform yourself and making your own opinions. the truth of the matter and notice I said truth and not fact is that we. Us Americans are never really informed of all the details of anything. Oh yeah we can watch 20/20 but they are all commies too. The bottom line is we elect a president who is Privy to all this information and we have to go with it. When Clinton was president I did not bad mouth him like they do President Bush. but I went along with him. After all he was my president. I did not like it when he showed how much of a wimp he was and what a coward he was after having our guys dragged through the streets and desecrated in a way no human should be and then turned tail and ran like a "PUSSY" cat being chased by a puppy! yeah I drink the KOOLAID cuz it tastes American made to me!!!
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I thought the guys that did 9/11 were all here legally. They don't need to come through the boarders...just fly in with a visa for school.
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I thought the guys that did 9/11 were all here legally. They don't need to come through the boarders...just fly in with a visa for school.
thats not fare, those are facts and facts mean little. Not only that but 6 of the "terrorist" are actually still alive but you also dont hear about that to often either. This is per the head of the CIA .....dude cant remember his name....


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No country we are at war with right now has the capabilities of launching a missile, nuclear or not, and it reaching us.
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So we should leave them alone until they do have the ability? Or let them just run amuck and hope they forget about us over here?? Didn't leaving Afghanistan alone teach us anything? It was a safe heaven for terrorists, plus they were killing the people of that country for fun, not to mention the drug trade from that country that was funding the terrorists. Let's move back here, stick our head in the sand and hope all is OK around us, works for the Ostrich, until the tiger comes along and see a helpless idiot with his head stuck in the sand.........lol
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Old 09-10-2008, 06:29 AM
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If we didn't get involved with kicking Hitler's ass after he invaded country after country, we would all be speaking German right now, and all the nice, happy things everyone takes for granted that we have here, would'nt exist.

A safer world "does" mean a safer America.

The more democratic, free governments established on this planet, the more secure all nations will be.

If you don't believe that, move to a country that doesn't believe in democracy, and tell me how you like it.

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No country we are at war with right now has the capabilities of launching a missile, nuclear or not, and it reaching us.
Not yet but then again like "Sadamm Whosinsane" we don't know what there doing behind our backs. You don't live your life waiting for something to happen and then React. We spend some of our lives trying to figure out the next chess move of anything in life. Do you carry Motorcycle insurance? House insurance, Life,Health? Hello? I have a secret for you and all the other libs and so called independents.THERE"S PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WANT TO KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND MINE AND EVERYONE ELSE HERE IN AMERICA, you Infidel! There I said it the secret is out.
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Afghanistan is key. The Russians had a hell of a time trying to conquer that place a number of years ago in the late 70's and into the 80's. When Afghan fighters captured Russian soldiers they'd often skin them alive and leave them to die. Russian lost a lot of helicopters to Bin Laden and other Afghans.
Fast forward to when Bush placed our soldiers there on the hunt for Bin Laden. The Afghans knew why we were there and it wasn't to control their country or way of life. They never put themselves in a position where they would take an American soldier and treat them as they treated the Russians. They absolutely knew we were after Bin Laden. But they also knew US firepower could be used effectively against those they did not like. So they kinda messed around using our firepower to settle some personal scores among their own people. They had gone through a civil war for almost a decade after the Russians invaded.
That said, there's lot we can do there to fight terrorism. Because the taliban has come back fairly strong, it will take a good fight. But, we can have a big impact on the lives of the Afghan people by continuing to make improvements to their country with paved roads, and other things can help to bring them out of the third world.
They need good schools, electricity, medical care, government services including at least an effective police force, etc.
They need an economy that not based on poppies for the drug trade.
Their people do not want to live under the repressive and oppressive reign of the religious taliban fanatics.
Bin Laden was there because of the opportunity he saw there. We have that same opportunity and we have lots more cash than Bin Laden had to spread around.
The thing is--and this is important--the Afghan people have to believe we will not leave them. Because they know as soon as we do, the taliban and Bin Laden and others like him will flow back into the country.
We can get a much bigger bang for every buck in Afghanistan than we can for what it takes with that same dollar in Iraq.
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Old 09-10-2008, 06:43 AM
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[quote=FRANKTHECRANK]If we didn't get involved with kicking Hitler's ass after he invaded country after country, we would all be speaking German right now, and all the nice, happy things everyone takes for granted that we have here, would'nt exist. QUOTE]

The libs and the Pacifists did not want us to get involved after all that war was somewhere else. We were nice and safe in our "BLANKE" here in America. Why should we get out of our EASY chairs to help some Britt getting his house bombed . After all My radio and telephone still work.The Nutzi's kept taking over country after country and we still sat silent. Millions died as we turned our eyes so we would not have to feel any guilt. After we finally were forced Late into the war.
The Greatest Generation of Men and Woman saved the world!!!!! THANK YOU TO ALL VET"S!!!! You have earned a place in "The Halls of HONOR"!!!!!

Do you really want to wait until New York is Nuked????????
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Old 09-10-2008, 06:55 AM
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It wasn't just "libs and Pacifists" who didn't want to enter WWII. After President Wilson, the US became somewhat isolationist--not wanting to get involved in affairs outside the US.
The bulk of the US population--Republicans and Democrats alike--were against our involvement in what was happening in Germany and in Japan. F D Roosevelt believed our intervention was absolutely needed, but he could not motivate the American public to back any action. All that changed when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. Lots of theories and speculation on all that, but it wasn't until then that the American people had any interest at all in going to war.
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Old 09-10-2008, 07:03 AM
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You would think getting attacked in New York City would keep them interested more than in the middle of the Pacific.
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Oh they were. But no Iraqis attacked us. They were mostly Saudis and they were financed and directed by Bin Laden in Afganistan.
We lost our focus. Kinda like striking back at Japan in WWII, but then moving our troops to China in search of Hirohito.
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Old 09-10-2008, 07:58 AM
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Oh brother, I knew that was coming.

Jim, will ya give it a break already.

You know as well as I do, we are not at war with Iraqis. We are at war with who ever wants to destroy and kill Americans in the name of their religion.

Terrorist, muslim extremist, religious fanatics, however you want to categorize them.

I couldn't give a rats ass where they are. Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Kuwait, Pakistan, Syria, Afganistan, where ever,......IT DOES NOT MATTER.

You make it sound like the Taliban, and Al-Qaida have no ties with Iraqi insurgents, or any ties with Osama, or the WMD in Syria has nothing to do with Iraq, etc. etc.etc....everything is tied together, more than I, or you, with your infinate wisdom and insight on the world affairs, as seen on the internet, could possibly imagine.

911 showed everyone how vunerable we really are and, like others have said, the best defence is a good offense, and since we went on the offensive there have been no attacks here on vulnerable, USA soil.
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Old 09-10-2008, 08:14 AM
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Oh yea, and as far as losing our focus. Dropping a few bombs on Afganistan after 911, and doing nothing else after that, would be "losing our focus".

With as many terrorists, in as many countries, as there are, only concentrating on one location would be, not only out of focus but, turning a "blind eye", so to speek.
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