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Tortolabob2 07-16-2017 06:32 AM

Beautiful work, you are quite the craftsman. How did you seal the edge where the shingles butt up to each other? And how will you seal around the tree branch openings?

STEINBVG 07-16-2017 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Tortolabob2 (Post 1280772)
Beautiful work, you are quite the craftsman. How did you seal the edge where the shingles butt up to each other? And how will you seal around the tree branch openings?


Yeah, I was wandering too. Plus, the branches grow in time. Is there some kind that of rubber flashing( a gasket lol)?
But you know what, poop?
I hate you...now my kids make want me to build someone like that, but using several smaller trees as posts. By NJ standards, I have pretty big property- 20 acres of woods.

One day , perhaps..One day.

Great job. We have quite a talented bunch here at CC.

Poop 07-16-2017 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tortolabob2 (Post 1280772)
Beautiful work, you are quite the craftsman. How did you seal the edge where the shingles butt up to each other? And how will you seal around the tree branch openings?

good question, but for clarification: the breaches through the roof are treated differently than those through the wall. for the sake of this conversation, i'll try to remember to refer to the roof breaches as trunk ones, and the one through the wall as limb breaches. i don't claim that these are necessarily the correct terms, just the ones i'll try to stick by for clarity.

all of these issues will be addressed in posts in the very near future, with pics.

Poop 07-16-2017 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEINBVG (Post 1280773)
Yeah, I was wandering too. Plus, the branches grow in time. Is there some kind that of rubber flashing( a gasket lol)?
But you know what, poop?
I hate you...now my kids make want me to build someone like that, but using several smaller trees as posts. By NJ standards, I have pretty big property- 20 acres of woods.

One day , perhaps..One day.

Great job. We have quite a talented bunch here at CC.

vitaly, like i mentioned to bob, my answer to those will be documented. there is space left around each breach for movement, particularly as you can see around limbs through walls, as they can get to swaying much more than the trunks above. but they are all allowed space.

that said, there is a flexible solution to bridge the hard structure to the trunk, as well as a pretty sweet idea i picked up from a brazilian treehouse guy that brings a pretty fresh approach to the issue. that will come close to the end of the series.

as for pressure from your kids... sorry about that. but do you have four bikes? i'm not sure i can help you out with how to answer your kids, then! better get cracking! :LOL:

i'd be happy to share ideas if you decide to do something. i've learned a bit since i started this one, and would do a few things differently.

Poop 07-16-2017 01:19 PM

one idea, vitaly: depending on their age, build them a platform, and put them in charge of the rest. maybe require their plans be submitted for approval and discussion, and maybe perform various "building inspections" in the made up persona of some annoying guy from the local government, to give some oversight, but largely shirking the burden of design/build onto them. it would be a great learning experience for them. and you'd have a great opportunity to teach them a few things in a setting in which they'd be eager for your help, not weary of dad telling them how to do everything.

ehh, just ideas. but thanks for the compliment.

Poop 07-16-2017 01:26 PM

on to number 3 of 6 panels to be shingled. another sloped bottom one, with a larger trunk breach.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...21554617_o.jpg

in this second pic, the product on the left is a foil type tape with an asphalt/adhesive type backing. with it, i'll flash around the roof breaches starting at the bottom of the slope going on up to the top, like you would a skylight or roof vent. the cool thing with this is that i'm creating the flexible flashing vitaly mentioned above, allowing for tree movement. also, keep in mind this this is one of several steps to waterproof each breach.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...13233221_o.jpg

and here, the flashing tape in action. the stuff does a pretty good job adhering to itself, laying a flexible foundation for the next layer.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...56553535_o.jpg



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Poop 07-16-2017 01:52 PM

and now for the next layer of protection at the trunk breaches through the roof: rubberized asphalt roofing cement. it's a great way to waterproof the gap that can change second-by-second in a heavy storm, with different parts of the tree swaying in different directions.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th163.jpg

posting this pic again not by mistake, but because it contains one of two products used in this step: the fiberglass gauze. this is important in giving the flexible cement some structural integrity.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...13233221_o.jpg

and now, the application: it takes days or weeks for this cement to cure. i found doing this roof in stages that it cures better during long periods without heavy rain, although there are some versions that apparently can be applied even during that kind of weather. this product also has fiberglass strands in it, which i hope will help keep it from cracking when the tree moves.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th164.jpg

and now, after the cement has had a while to set up (i can't remember if it was a day or a week), i add shingles above the halfline of the trunk. this helps to ensure water is directed over the cement flashing, and not into it.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th165.jpg

last in this step, the largest breach, which incorporates all of the six panels, and will require the hips between panels (as bob inquired) to be sealed up, so that the top flashing directs water over those hip seals, and not into or under.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th166.jpg



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Poop 07-16-2017 02:00 PM

cedar shingle roofs typically use alternately overlapping, bevel-cut shingles to cap the hips. it's how it's been done forever, but i shied away from it for two reasons.

first, the shingles are somewhat delicate, particularly at their edges, and i thought long bevel-cut planks would be thicker, and more stable.

second, it was a whole lot easier than cutting all those shingles, and i was weary.

so, the long planks capping the hips were beveled in two ways. first was the traditional bevel along the length that allowed one side to slightly overlap the other, matching the angle of the hip. second was because i could not procure easily (read, not stocked locally) planks long enough to fully cover two of the six hips, so i would have to overlap an upper plank over a lower plank.

if what i just typed didn't quite make sense, it's all in the two pics below. added in is some of that quad sealant (stuff seems pretty badass), and not a drop is getting through the hip ridges.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th167.jpg

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th168.jpg



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Poop 07-16-2017 02:09 PM

another inconsistency with the plank idea for capping hips: the planks are eastern white cedar, rather than western red. big fucking deal, i thought. but as you can see, the color is much different. i hoped that as it weathered and grayed out, it would resolve itself. instead, it was not only a color issue, but a texture one, as well, and everytime i drove by the site (it's about a hundred yards from the road) it plucked my fucking nerves. it wasn't the first time i'd done and then later redone something because of that feeling.

so, i decided to go ahead and weave a shingle pattern right over top of those planks. it looked much better, but now that the hips are raised 5/8" over the rest of the roof, it does stand out in my eye a little. however, i do know that my roof hips are mfing watertight no matter what, and so i'm cool with it.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th169.jpg

oh, and bevel cutting all those shingles and getting them exactly the right width and all was at least as much fucking work as i was afraid it would be. difference was, i ended up doing it anyway, even after initially trying to shortcut the process. :LOL:


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Poop 07-16-2017 02:15 PM

once that's done, i follow the two steps outlined above to seal the top gap, using first the flashing tape from bottom to top,

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th170.jpg

then applying rubberized, reinforced asphalt roofing cement along with fiberglass gauze over that. the crotch sitting in the middle of it all got filled and shaped, as well, as it would otherwise tend to hold water that would undermine the integrity of the seal.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th171.jpg

the final step in waterproofing these breaches comes from a different angle, figuratively, and will be shown later.

Poop 07-17-2017 08:00 AM

so far during this build, the treehouse has been a pretty dangerous place for kids. the no windows part isn't such a biggie, but there is no trap door, only a hole in the floor, and the worst is that whole deck with the handrail that most kids could just walk under to step off the platform.

so... it's a relief to finally get to work on this part.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th172.jpg

"goat and sheep" panel from tractor supply:

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th173.jpg

panels are preassembled before installation to the treehouse, but without any fasteners. each rail (top, bottom, both sides) is drilled for the panel 1/4" wire to be inserted, making for strong reinforcement against kick out. also, this gives dimensional flexibility so that the panels can sqeeze in or spread out a little to exactly fit the spaces i'm building them for.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th174.jpg

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th175.jpg

assembled, ready to be hoisted up in the tractor bucket.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th176.jpg



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Poop 07-17-2017 08:10 AM

the panels on either end of the handrail were a little wonky, because they filled a non-rectangular space. picture tells it better than i can, stumbling over my words. in summary, this was a good time to be using panels not already fastened, but instead with some adjustability.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th177.jpg

getting there...

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th178.jpg

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th179.jpg



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Spade115 07-17-2017 12:18 PM

THAT!!! LOOKS!!! nice o.o

lol

Looks good man!!!

Tortolabob2 07-17-2017 01:05 PM

Wow!

That thing is ready for the master bath and kitchen.

STEINBVG 07-17-2017 03:00 PM

Beautiful. Now emagine a donut shaped pool at the bottom, diving(or sliding on a spiral ) right from the porch!

chopptrike 07-17-2017 03:57 PM

That is really really awesome Man. You really deserve a pat on the back, not to mention it's all for your son. Great job.

Just goes to show you, once you build a chopper, you can build ANYTHING.

Poop 07-17-2017 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chopptrike (Post 1280834)
That is really really awesome Man. You really deserve a pat on the back, not to mention it's all for your son. Great job.

Just goes to show you, once you build a chopper, you can build ANYTHING.

ha! thanks! and yeah, i can definitely say that building my bike lent a lot of skills--and confidence--to what i took on here. and also, as you point out, if feels so much better, because it's for my son. although, to be honest, i really enjoy my time up there, too! ;)

Poop 07-18-2017 08:44 AM

i really didn't get good pics of the window part of the build, so i'll just use a couple of old ones.

These windows, cut to uniform size with a 20 degree slope out on bottom edge:

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...20158109_o.jpg

painted up like so...

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...23717358_o.jpg

got dropped into the 2x4 frames in the foreground of this pic.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th088.jpg

those frames were top hinged and hung, with 1x6 fence board trim attached to the frame, so it swings out with the frame. i did this to help maintain a weatherproof covering around the openings. sorry i don't have good pictures of that. i'll try to document that better at a later time.

Spade115 07-18-2017 08:59 AM

Man this would be cool to add a little projector and stream movies out of lol. Theater style

Poop 07-18-2017 09:03 AM

last august, my son and i had our first treehouse campout. we were still using the aluminum extension construction ladder, and an improvised piece of plywood in lieu of a proper trap door, but otherwise we had what we needed.

except more spider killer spray. we definitely could have used that.

so, the next morning, while we were hanging out up there and enjoying our spot, i started putting a huge roll of 2" manila rope to use covering the gaps between trunks, limbs, and treehouse.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th180.jpg

considerable time was spent whipping the ends of the rope with jute twine, to combat fraying. rope was then screwed into place with the least number of construction screws i could get away with.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th182.jpg

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th183.jpg

to answer a previous question, this is how gaps in the wall breaches are addressed. since these gaps don't get as heavy an assault with water as the roof ones, i'm less concerned about waterproofing them. after all, the floor is gapped decking like your deck behind your house.

view from the hammock before:

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th184.jpg

and after:

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th187.jpg

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th185.jpg

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th186.jpg

this rope lays over the trim for the one window that does not open and shut (because of limb clearance--all the other 7 do).

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th188.jpg

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th190.jpg




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Poop 07-18-2017 09:19 AM

on the other side, where the window needs to open, the trim board was split accordingly.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th189.jpg

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th191.jpg

STEINBVG 07-18-2017 09:32 AM

noted some leaves/small branches on the big limbs that come out of the house.
wonder if any would /could grow inside the house and survive- that might be nice in house plants...

Poop 07-18-2017 07:50 PM

bob, here is the last and probably most important step in waterproofing trunk breaches through the roof: what some have called the brazilian necklace, in a nod to its inventor, brazilian treehouse builder ricardo brunelli. he described his method to me, which included the foil tape flashing and the spackeled rubberized asphalt roofing cement, and this rope gutter idea that diverts 90%+ of the rainwater that would otherwise trickle down to those breaches. the rope is attached at an angle, with the two end pieces connected to carry trickling water away from the breach and onto the roof surface. sealant is applied between rope and tree to fill bark crevices and to create a gutter. it works wonderfully.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th194.jpg

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th195.jpg

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th196.jpg



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Poop 07-18-2017 08:04 PM

and, as they say, the proof is in the pudding. hurricane matthew was the first big test of this setup, and it performed beautifully.



slight tweak after this was using long (16") construction lags to support the bottom portion of the "neckties" at an angle less vertical, to better divert that flowing rainwater away to the flat, hard roof.

Poop 07-19-2017 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEINBVG (Post 1280857)
noted some leaves/small branches on the big limbs that come out of the house.
wonder if any would /could grow inside the house and survive- that might be nice in house plants...

interestingly, the shoots that sprout from the trunk and limbs inside seem to attract too much attention to themselves, and most everyone--myself included-- removes them almost without thinking.

currently, inside greenery consists of three separate venus fly traps. but they're not the hardiest, so i'm sure that will be revisited.

Poop 07-26-2017 08:00 AM

the view up from the inside. turned out as nicely as i hoped it would, and the smell of cedar is bracing. it has faded in the last year since installation, but the rain still brings it back out.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th197.jpg

and the karaoke acoustics are amazing. so far, i can get my boy to sing sturgill simpson songs up there like he's playing for a stadium. prior to that, he never would sing or hum a lick anywhere; now, he's a much bolder and eager singer with his class at school, in the car with me, and sometimes even around his mama.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th198.jpg

a bluetooth speaker up there and a couple of straw broom air guitars and we're set. ;)

Poop 07-26-2017 08:56 AM

we again interrupt this treehouse build, to play in the snow a little bit.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th217.jpg

the treehouse is dry, but not particularly warm, as it's designed to breathe with the wind in the hot summer. but it sure gets me thinking about ways to address that.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th218.jpg

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th219.jpg

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th199.jpg

of course, just like kellen and daddy know how to live it up in the snow, we also know how to warm it back up. hot chocolate at the awful waffle!

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th220.jpg

Poop 07-26-2017 08:59 AM

and while all these leisure activities have been enjoyed, i've been waiting for some special order boards to come in. i ordered two 2" x 16" x 16' treated monsters, and it's taken more than a couple months for the local sawmill to get a good candidate to cut them from. once they got one and cut my boards, they pulled a few days in the kiln to dry out, then processed out for heavy cca treatment.

here, my son inspects our new delivery in early spring.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th200.jpg

midlifechoppers 07-26-2017 11:51 AM

How much do you think it weighs?

SDB 07-26-2017 04:54 PM

Coolest side project ever!

Major props to you, not only for building it, but also for enjoying it with your son. It doesn't get any better than that.

Poop 07-26-2017 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by midlifechoppers (Post 1280960)
How much do you think it weighs?

eh, no clue, really. even if I did the math all over again and calculated it, it would be only an approximation of its weight now, as the wood has dried out so much. freshly treated lumber always seems more than twice as heavy as it is a year later, although i'm not sure that's entirely accurate, either.

who knows?

Poop 07-26-2017 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SDB (Post 1280962)
Coolest side project ever!

Major props to you, not only for building it, but also for enjoying it with your son. It doesn't get any better than that.

thanks, man. that means a lot around here. you're right: i doubt i'll ever regard a moment of it as misspent or wasted.

midlifechoppers 07-26-2017 06:09 PM

Excellent workmanship. The tree band for the lower support is brilliant - looks like it can expand as the tree does.

Poop 07-27-2017 07:31 AM

once again, i called on my father-in-law for help in this project.

for the ladder, i wanted something that felt safer than a typical ladder, but it still had to have a somewhat steep approach because of the limited size of the trap door entry. i liked the idea of a ship's ladder, but instead of added handrails, they could be shaped from the same wood as the stringers (forgive i'd my terminology isn't right) to give a more enclosed feel. this way, the ladder could feel a little more like a chute, and at least there'd be less chances of falling over the sides.

so, the shaping starts with a router and a roundover bit. that little piece on the top is a 2 x 10, for reference.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th201.jpg

the finger/thumb grove is cut in several stages, the first being a rounded bottom groove, the second more work with a roundover bit at the top edges of the groove.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th202.jpg

Poop 07-27-2017 07:41 AM

my father-in-law disagreed strongly in this next step. he's forgotten twice as much as i'll ever know about mechanics, machining, carpentry, and guns, but i still had a strong feeling of confidence that i could use a flap disc on a grinder to finish rounding out the handrail portion of these boards. he felt that it would be too hard to control, produce too much waviness, but in my mind, I was okay with some waviness. i felt it would give it more of a hand-worked feel.

so, i swallowed the lump in my throat and jumped on in.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th203.jpg

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th204.jpg

the above was accomplished in two passes, the first with a 7" grinder and flapper, the second with a 4-1/2. so far, so good.

Poop 07-28-2017 06:47 AM

also with the routing work on these were seats for the steps. since we have a full 2" to work with on either side, the seats are a deep 5/8" each.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th205.jpg

because of the radius bit used to rout the seats, the front corners of the seats are more rounded than the 2x6 steps. once again defying my father-in-law's good advice, i addressed this with a flap disc freehandedly, rather than with a rasp.

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th206.jpg

good enough for treehouse tolerances...

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th208.jpg

mock up:

http://www.clubchopper.com/photopost...dium/th207.jpg

Poop 07-28-2017 07:02 AM

after mock up, i went to lowe's and got some long plastic pans for drywall mud, or something like that. these were long enough to stand the two stair stringers in while i soak them in wood preservative. even though these are treated boards, i wanted to soak them in that heavy green smelly copper preservative solution, so that they could resist ground-born rot for as long as possible.

Tortolabob2 07-28-2017 09:35 AM

Just amazing Poop. The rope tricks are really clever.
So when did you do this project? 2016? or longer?
Is it finished today or still working on it?

Poop 07-29-2017 05:46 AM

thanks, bob! started summer '14, "finished" a month ago. i say "finished" rather than finished, because there will still be improvements to be made, like shelves, custom stools, window lift supports, stain...

but the official declaration "finished" releases me from my vow of commitment, again allowing me to fish, go to the gym (shouldn't have neglected that for two years), go to the range, and work on bikes. also, i may have to tackle some home projects, at home. :CRY::CRY:

Poop 07-29-2017 05:50 AM

it was drawn out for several reasons. first, labor issues. it was supposed to be a joint project, and my dad lost interest. second, my son's issues always came first. third, work also took precedence, and my job occasionally requires weekend paperwork. fourth, marriage. fifth, i've never done this before, and ideas don't always come quickly. especially that.


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