Club Chopper Forums Industrial Parts House  

Go Back   Club Chopper Forums > GENERAL CHOPPER TALK AREA > Chopper Builder's Log > Big Bear Chopper Builds

Welcome to Club Chopper!  The World's largest and coolest place to be on the net if you dig the following!

  •  » Custom Bikes
  •  » Killer Paint
  •  » Old School Craftsmanship
  •  » Building and Wrenching
  •  » Hot Babes
  •  » Chopper Build Logs

...then you have come to the right place!

YES! I want to register an account for free right now!  p.s.: For registered members this ad will NOT show

Chopper Tech
Tech Article
Tech Article
Tech Article
Tech Article
Tech Article
Main Menu
Module Jump:
Club Chop Gallery

Club Chopper Gallery

Submit Your Photos!

Active Threads
edart sprocket brake
Last Post: shuvchop
Posted On: Yesterday
Replies: 29
Views: 5,067
Sunmyth
Last Post: turtle
Posted On: Yesterday
Replies: 0
Views: 30
NEW YORK FREEDOM RIDER NEWS- 4/9/21 - motorcycle related updates
Last Post: karen
Posted On: 04-09-2021
Replies: 0
Views: 39
American Iron Horse pegs
Last Post: Spade115
Posted On: 04-09-2021
Replies: 1
Views: 70
gas tank builders
Last Post: Spade115
Posted On: 04-09-2021
Replies: 5
Views: 144
More...
  #61 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2008, 06:52 AM
PBR1970's Avatar
Club Chopper Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Some Fuckin Irish Pub, NY
Bike Year, Make, Engine: 2010 HD CrossBones
Posts: 1,175
Not Ranked     
Quote:
Originally Posted by fairwaymike
Merc07, dont sweat cenjims comments. he has been defending and promoting BBC from the start. I dont think he would be pissed if all his welds on his bike were bad.

If i had a BBC bike, any year, id be checking the welds. I wouldnt trust BBC considering the posts they have made recently.
thanks bro........you just said a million
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #62 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2008, 06:59 AM
Freedom1's Avatar
Club Chopper Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Corona, CA
Bike Year, Make, Engine: 2004 Big Bear Venom Chopper, S&S 107
Posts: 84
Not Ranked     
Quote:
Originally Posted by fairwaymike
Merc07, dont sweat cenjims comments. he has been defending and promoting BBC from the start. I dont think he would be pissed if all his welds on his bike were bad.

If i had a BBC bike, any year, id be checking the welds. I wouldnt trust BBC considering the posts they have made recently.
Fairwaymike, How would you check the welds to see if there are ok?
Reply With Quote
  #63 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2008, 07:00 AM
PBR1970's Avatar
Club Chopper Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Some Fuckin Irish Pub, NY
Bike Year, Make, Engine: 2010 HD CrossBones
Posts: 1,175
Not Ranked     
Quote:
Originally Posted by RRSA
No one is going to beat Cenjim in an argument of reasoning. I donít necessarily agree with everything he says, but damn heís sure got the art of reasoning down to art form.
yep .. i know alot of ppl who have that art ( art of bullshitting ) ..like lawyers , cops , management , used car salesmen , junkyard counterpeople , insurance saleman and telemarketers.....
Reply With Quote
  #64 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2008, 07:02 AM
PBR1970's Avatar
Club Chopper Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Some Fuckin Irish Pub, NY
Bike Year, Make, Engine: 2010 HD CrossBones
Posts: 1,175
Not Ranked     
Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom1
Fairwaymike, How would you check the welds to see if there are ok?
i did some research...x-ray..they use this to inspect bridges along with other shit...
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #65 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2008, 07:06 AM
Freedom1's Avatar
Club Chopper Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Corona, CA
Bike Year, Make, Engine: 2004 Big Bear Venom Chopper, S&S 107
Posts: 84
Not Ranked     
Quote:
Originally Posted by merc07
i did some research...x-ray..they use this to inspect bridges along with other shit...
Cool, I know of a company that does this for my shop on our structual steel products out here, I'm going to give them a call see if they will x ray the bike
Reply With Quote
  #66 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2008, 07:32 AM
CC Member/Contributor
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Butler, PA
Posts: 2,847
Not Ranked     
Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom1
Fairwaymike, How would you check the welds to see if there are ok?
your x-ray method would be the best.

A visual inspection may give you some way of checking, but that becomes difficult when the frame is painted or powdercoated. Plus the visual inspection would have to come from a trained tig welder (i say tig not to start a tig vs mig argument but because the BBC frames appear to be tig welded.)

i would also think that you will have to break the bike down to just the frame to get it x-rayed.
Reply With Quote
  #67 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2008, 08:33 AM
Poop's Avatar
Slow=Smooth, Smooth=Fast
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Suffolk, VA
Bike Year, Make, Engine: 03 BMC w/ S&S 124; 75 Honda chop
Posts: 6,531
Not Ranked     
Quote:
Originally Posted by fairwaymike
your x-ray method would be the best.

A visual inspection may give you some way of checking, but that becomes difficult when the frame is painted or powdercoated. Plus the visual inspection would have to come from a trained tig welder (i say tig not to start a tig vs mig argument but because the BBC frames appear to be tig welded.)

i would also think that you will have to break the bike down to just the frame to get it x-rayed.
not to mention that a trained tig welder--make that certified instructor--already told your dumb ass that even x-rays couldn't fully assure proper welds.
Reply With Quote
  #68 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2008, 08:44 AM
CENJIM's Avatar
Super Moderator
Visit my Photo Gallery
Lifetime Contributor  
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Coventry, RI
Bike Year, Make, Engine: 2005 BBC Venom Chopper, S&S 96
Posts: 8,804
Not Ranked     
Quote:
Originally Posted by RRSA
No one is going to beat Cenjim in an argument of reasoning. I donít necessarily agree with everything he says, but damn heís sure got the art of reasoning down to art form.
No one should just agree with anything I say. We all express opinions, try to reason things the best we can and go with our decisions.

I really enjoy finding out what others believe and why they believe it. That's one of the ways we all learn.
__________________
Ua mau ke ea o ka `aina i ka pono

The life of the land is perpetuated in righteousness.

***********************************

*****************************

"Gentlemen, we must all hang together or assuredly we shall all hang separately."

Reply With Quote
  #69 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2008, 08:46 AM
CC Member/Contributor
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Butler, PA
Posts: 2,847
Not Ranked     
Quote:
Originally Posted by Poop
not to mention that a trained tig welder--make that certified instructor--already told your dumb ass that even x-rays couldn't fully assure proper welds.
here we go with the name calling

what is this, kindergarten???
Reply With Quote
  #70 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2008, 09:20 AM
CENJIM's Avatar
Super Moderator
Visit my Photo Gallery
Lifetime Contributor  
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Coventry, RI
Bike Year, Make, Engine: 2005 BBC Venom Chopper, S&S 96
Posts: 8,804
Not Ranked     
Quote:
Originally Posted by merc07
...ok..all your assumptions about me are wrong....i did not take out a loan..paid cash ..cash is king....im not a yuppie rider who doesnt care about 30k cause their rich to begin with......and i do ride my 07 every chance i have .....if you ck the dates when i have been posting you will see i dont spend alot of time on the computer...i just came back here when i got my mtr mt letter....i respect everyones opinion here...seems like you just want ppl to belive the same you do...not happening here ..this is a forum and everyone should respect each others opinion...i respect yours and i dont make presumptions about your decision on buying a chopper or your finances..so try to understand everyone has their own opinion here........i am a very proud owner of this chop...i brag about all the time especially when i own it outrite but this recall troubles me...i dont like corps and what they do to the little guy and i will speak up everytime and not make excuses for them..... but their is a down side to the company that just happened and many ppl feel there being treated unfairly.....arent you reading the other posts ?......ohh btw can you give me written proof that 07 models were welded differnently and by whom ? or explain the difference that one year made , bcause my frame was made in 06 ( at least i was told that ) ....i dont want your opinion on this just facts.....
I never implied or said you took out a loan. I said it looks like a lot of people take out loans today for things that should be paid for in cash. Sorry that you took it that way. But a lot of other guys on the forum have borrowed considerable amounts of money to pay for their builds.
So for them having to sit back and make payments it's kinda like being upside down on their loans.

I've got a Venom, partially assembled, that even if it were finished shouldn't be on the road. Fully paid for, but not rideable.

So when I mentioned about if I had a Merc (or any other bike by any other mfr that's not on a recall list) that I'd be out riding instead of typing here, that applied to me. You see, I can't even go out in the garage to work on the bike right now. Still waiting to see what's gonna come next.
If I had another model not affected, I wouldn't be concerned.

For your other questions about the specifics of the construction of your frame, etc., you'd have to get that right from the horse's mouth. You'd have to go to the source. I'm just an end user, just like you and almost everyone else here. But I don't think anyone is ever gonna get a written statement guaranteeing their bike is "safe". I would be very, very surprised if any manufacturer would issue anyone a document like that.
You get your MSO, warranty cards, etc. and that's it.
BBC sent out the do not ride letters. They will put together their resolution plan and offer it to the owners of the affected bikes.
Once the "resolution" has been effected, they would probably consider the problem "corrected". Who knows, maybe they will issue a document vouching for the "safety" of the repair? I'm thinking the completion of the recall process for each individual will bring to a close their responsibility on the matter for each individual--subject to any applicable legal action.

But I'm just a guy typing here putting my thoughts out on the Internet. No inside information, no legal training, just something for others to read, consider, and toss where they want it.

I can understand your being concerned about the safety of your model BBC. Your questions are valid and you do deserve an answer to each and every one of them.

Suppose you've got an RC Components frame or a frame from any of the host of other manufacturers who have experienced recalls due to structural issues, but your particular frame wasn't on that list what would you do? Would you ride your bike? Would you get the welds inspected?

If you're not riding a Harley, Yamaha, Honda, or any other major mfr's product, there's probably more risk involved?
I dunno? Just throwing it out there.
__________________
Ua mau ke ea o ka `aina i ka pono

The life of the land is perpetuated in righteousness.

***********************************

*****************************

"Gentlemen, we must all hang together or assuredly we shall all hang separately."

Reply With Quote
  #71 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2008, 09:31 AM
RRSA's Avatar
CC Member/Contributor
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Santa Barbara, Ca
Bike Year, Make, Engine: CUSTOM MOPED
Posts: 1,365
Not Ranked     
Quote:
Originally Posted by CENJIM
No one should just agree with anything I say. We all express opinions, try to reason things the best we can and go with our decisions.

I really enjoy finding out what others believe and why they believe it. That's one of the ways we all learn.


Wasn't knocking your craft....just admiring.
Reply With Quote
  #72 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2008, 09:46 AM
rastoy's Avatar
Club Chopper Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Not quite sure, VA
Bike Year, Make, Engine: 01 Fatboy,65 Matchless, 83 V-65, +more
Posts: 6,230
Send a message via AIM to rastoy
Not Ranked     
Quote:
Originally Posted by Poop
not to mention that a trained tig welder--make that certified instructor--already told your dumb ass that even x-rays couldn't fully assure proper welds.
One of my clients manufactures stuff under a govt. contract and each weld has to be x-rayed and/or ultra-sound certified. Not that our govt. knows shit but they require it so I assume someone told them it was better than a visual inspection.
__________________
Try to learn something new every day and don't accept everything as fact.

Nevermind, you're hopeless.
Reply With Quote
  #73 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2008, 09:48 AM
Club Chopper Member
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: City, St
Bike Year, Make, Engine: CFL 124
Posts: 336
Not Ranked     
Jim, how do you feel about BBC only repairing the "affected area" of the frame, and not any other welds? Seems to me that this recall is only covering what happened to Larry's bike. The structural intregrity of the whole frame should be in question here, unless of course BBC had the Henry Ford assembly line going, which I seriously doubt! BBC seems to be in love with the phrase "customer safety comes first", seems to be a dollar and cents instance here. I guys you guys are finding out what that lifetime warranty really means, I feel for all of ya!
Reply With Quote
  #74 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2008, 09:52 AM
Poop's Avatar
Slow=Smooth, Smooth=Fast
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Suffolk, VA
Bike Year, Make, Engine: 03 BMC w/ S&S 124; 75 Honda chop
Posts: 6,531
Not Ranked     
Quote:
Originally Posted by fairwaymike
here we go with the name calling

what is this, kindergarten???
and what name would that be? if you'd made it past kindergarten, you might be able to ascertain* that i indeed called you no name.

*to discover, as perhaps by reading**.

**look that one up yourself, dipshit.

Last edited by Poop; 03-26-2008 at 09:59 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #75 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2008, 09:54 AM
RRSA's Avatar
CC Member/Contributor
Visit my Photo Gallery
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Santa Barbara, Ca
Bike Year, Make, Engine: CUSTOM MOPED
Posts: 1,365
Not Ranked     
Now we got the makings of a "real thread". Carry on.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:19 AM.


vBulletin skins developed by: eXtremepixels
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0

CC Policy

The representations expressed are the representations and opinions of the clubchopper.com forum members and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and viewpoints of the site owners or moderators. clubchopper.com forum members agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyrighted material is owned by you or have been given the expressed written consent to post. Although we do not and cannot review the messages posted and are not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we reserve the right to delete any message for any reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold us harmless with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). For full policy, please click the "CC policy" link. Thank you for visiting the clubchopper.com
Links monetized by VigLink