no more wcc parts? hmmm....

[->Bullet<-]

Originally Posted by Barefoot Choppa

Actually, pretty right on the money!!!


And to compare a wcc with a ferarri.......These are finely engineered machines. Please don't use that comparison again, it does not say much for intelligence...

OH FUCK YEAH ! It seems that you don't know what you'r talkin about man. Here's an example : last year a romanian business man was cruising (!) with his brand new FERRARI !!!!!!!! ( not ''ferarri'' ) and the burned gas from the end of the exhaust heated up AND THE HOLE CAR EXPLODED IN THE END !!! < like in that ''Biker Build OFF'' when Billy lane's chopper burned ;I guess you know that ep !> The only thing that he could do is to sit there and watch , knowing though the car has insurance All of the (italian) sports/exotic cars have stupid little flaws dude. Document yourself before makin a statement like that ....''cause YES it does not say much for intelligence ''
The hole point is this : we are people,we feel there for we have passions. some of us pay a lot of cash on plains ,boats,ferrari's,watches ( like a Porshe Design watch ...can't remember now the exact model HAS A 100.000 EUROS PRICE TAG ;I know that cause I work in the industry in some way ) and the list is endless... so why not a wcc ? if the money are not the prob and the wcc passion in there...

[steelchoppin]

Originally Posted by PerformanceChop

Dude, I am no hater. I really like WCC style and their bikes.

My point is, for $150,000 it is possible you can pull up to a bar somewhere and their is 2 diablos's with port-holed down tubes, same wheels, air cleaner, etc and the only difference is the seat and the paint. I AM NOT FAULTING WCC FOR THIS AT ALL, BUT IT IS WHAT I THIBK CAUSED ALL THIS TO HAPPEN.

Look at it this way, I am a buyer...I want to spend $150,000 on a bike, I think about WCC Diablo, and am told JJ will build you what he wants, it will most likely look like one of these, different paint etc. Now I call Covington's or Matt Hotch, both great builders, and they ask what I want, I want something totally different and creative. Hotch may build 4-6 bikes a year and Covington as-well. Much more "exclusive", no clothing in Walmart, just bike builders. I am not wondering who is really building my bike? I get good corispondance with the builder, not...he is racing, or shooting a show, or at the restaurant etc.

This is why I think JJ is doing what he is doing, he needs to Brand WCC again as high end and built by him.

DISCLAIMER: EVERYTHING I SAID..I DO NOT BLAME JJ AT ALL, HE HAS DONE ALOT MORE THAT ANY OF US WILL DO, BUT I THINK THE BUYERS OF HIS BIKES ARE STARTING TO SHARE WITH HIM, WHY HIS BRAND IS DOWN RIGHT NOW.

IF I WAS BUYING A BIKE RIGHT NOW, AND MONEY WAS NO OBJECT, I WOULD NOT GO WITH WCC LIKE I WOULD HAVE 8 YEARS AGO, THATS ALL I AM SAYING.

I ALSO AM NOT COMPAIRING WCC TO HOTCH ETC, THEY WERE JUST EXAMPLES!!

Well said. My buddy has 2 El Diablos and a CFL (all shop built). I cant tell you what he paid for them, but you arent that far off. You are totally right about the branding thing. My post was more about how there seems to be this whole microcasm of people that post online and they have no filter for what they type. We would certainly get more active members sharing their opinions and ideas (good, bad or indiferent) if there wasnt a few "keyboard commando's" jumping on people for a difference of opinion. Matt and Dave (Covington) both build exceptional bikes...and Dave doesnt even sell shirts (he told me last week that they dont sell when he prints them), but the Covingtons sell alot of bikes to big name stars and very wealthy no names. I think that people with real wealth are usually intelligent and they buy what they like no matter who makes that product. I look at it this way...it would be nice if the decision I was making tomorrow was whether I should send Jesse 100 grand or Dave Covington...right? You and I will most likley never have that problem... So lets just laugh this off and enjoy the site.

[FRANKTHECRANK]

Originally Posted by PerformanceChop

My point is, for $150,000 it is possible you can pull up to a bar somewhere and their is 2 diablos's with port-holed down tubes, same wheels, air cleaner, etc and the only difference is the seat and the paint.

I started the big WCC thread for a few reasons, but the main one was to expose many people to more WCC bikes than they had seen watching the Discovery Channel.

And many people still don't realize how many differences there are,.....even within the El Diablo model bikes.

I just have to throw this out there.

Aside from there being the El Diablo I and II, there are double down tube, single down tube, port holed down tube, and solid. Curved down tube and straight.

At least 10 different styled in house wheels, 6 different production exhaust systems to choose from, 5 air cleaners, 4 different length risers in 5 different styles, 200 tires, 250 tires, 280 tires, countless different power plants to choose from, different handle bar set ups...drag bars (Lane Splitters), sportster style bars(Super Dupers), mini apes, medium and tall apes, RSD trannys, LSD trannys, softtails and rigids.....etc,...etc.......not to mention the back bone and down tube stretch is different on each El Diablo, depending on the height and reach of the owner buying it.

To say (only) the seat and paint are different,.......is way off base.

The seat and paint, being the last things put on the bike are often the first things noticed.............to some people, they are the only things.

And I know,........it was said it was "possible" to pull up and see 2 El Diablos with a lot of similar parts on them,.......but unless your at the No Love Party,.... I just don't think that's happening at too many bars around the U.S.

[Lighting]

JJ has contribute a lot to the "neo chopper" movement, it's his choice to do away with his parts, however, I can almost guaranty that some other innovator will come along and take his spot, time will tell...............................by the way, I do like his bikes and accept them for what they are: a custom and that my friends include some flaws, regardless of how much money you pay for it.

[bigtwin100]

As long as I can still get a WCC beanie and wear it half over my eyes and not see very good, I'll be happy

[FRANKTHECRANK]

These 2 El Diablos couldn't be more unlike each other.

[tod75154]

I figured it out JJ has taken his parts dept. and entered deep in to his R&D dungeon in the bowels of WCC to develop his most accomplished, productive, sought after part yet...... That's right he is figuring out how to fuck start a bike...

WCC Fuck Starter
Available for Christmas '09

[bigtwin100]

This thread need to die........

[steelchoppin]

There are a few things that most people dont know about West Coast Choppers

1-All of the WCC parts on the shop builds are built for that bike. They do not go to the "warehouse" and grab a set of pipes, bars, gas tank (even the flat bottom sporty) and go bolt that to your bike. All of the fabbed parts are fabbed for that build

2-WCC does not use "crate engines". All of the engines are sourced from individual parts and painstakingly assembled in house using little tricks here and there. Also, each one is unique to each build.

3-The gas tank is a critical piece of the build and no two are exactly alike. In fact, if you take the Sturgis Special for example...there are three bikes in existance with the Pro Street drilled single down tube and similar tank. Only three exist. One in Florida, the original which is still in Cali and I third of which I know nothing of its where abouts.

4-The wheels Jesse manufactures are not cut from blanks, but rather from chunks of billet. He used to use wheel blanks, but during a build, after machining the wheel blank in-house the wheel was sent off to anodizing. When it returned and through the anodizing process Jesse could see that the wheel blank had been welded and then remachined prior to WCC recieving the blank. This presented itself through the dis-coloration in the anodizing. The strength had been compromised so he moved all wheel production in house.

5-All of the frames are made in house as well. Most people have not had the opportunity to get up close to an El Diablo....not an old one like the one JJ has in MM1...but a late model. Those that have fail to look at the detail in the frame. Not just the welding, but the shape of the tubing. It is a marvel. The tubing is not round. Or the next time you see a Dominator...look at the upper engine mount...it is machined from a solid peice of steel.

In the last 4-1/2 years, as a Motorcycle Professional (notice I did not say builder) in which I have worked full time the entire time, I have assembled several types of bikes. Some for corporations (NAPA) most for regular working guys, but over 15 builds I have seen some shitty products. In my experience Jesse's are the most consistantly of higher quality. That said: "custom bikes = custom problems". I drag raced Mustangs for nearly 15 years prior to my motorcycle obsession so I guess I am just used to shit breaking. JJ's shit is expensive for a reason. It is simply time+materials and demand. A few thousand people complaining your products are too expensive doesnt mean a whole lot when you are selling more of your product than you can build. Am I right?

[Mollard]

I would rather spend $100 000 on a WCC then a ferrari if the money was there. I hate sport bricks.

Now STFU.

[PerformanceChop]

Originally Posted by Mollard

I would rather spend $100 000 on a WCC then a ferrari if the money was there. I hate sport bricks.

Long Beachs Finest, quotes froms chopper dogs:

1 - "In 1992 I started a custom motorcycle shop.

Over time it became a Parts Factory and less of a motorcycle shop.

Parts production has been taking priority over Customers bikes for years in the machine shop, polishing shop, fabrication shop. This is the main reason we can not get bikes out faster.

Time to make it a Custom Motorcycle shop again."

2 - "Yea wheels was the final straw. People kept trying to chisel off pieces of our bikes. If we keep selling pieces pretty soon we have nothing left and might as well just Not build bikes anymore. I could see that is where we were headed....."

3 - "short story......

In the early 90's Kevin O. and I worked at the best Hot Rod Shop in the world. Hot Rod's By Boyd. there was 12 of the most amazing craftsman ever at that shop & me. Boyd also had a huge wheel business. The wheel manufacturing business got so huge that Boyd took it public. Then came a board of directors and "Growth" to sustain itself. Eventually the bottom fell out of the car wheel business and Boyd went bankrupt. This closed down Boyd Wheels and shut the doors of the Best Hot Rod Shop in the world Ever(that was an after thought at that point)

What I learned from this is that I'm not willing to sacrifice something I love for the sake of chasing the all might dollar."

4 - "We let a few people go that were non-essential to building bikes. All the People that are there now have been there for several years. They are excited and 100% in support of this. Parts Sales had beat ALL of us down. We all want to get back to what we love doing. I see a spark in there eye's that I have not seen in a long time...."

5 - "Ruby is sleeping on her Mama's lap & Poppy is laying on the doggie bed looking at me with one eye waiting for me to give here my bowl with a little bit of milk left in it form my Grape Nuts...."

Now STFU.

This is the point I was trying make, they need to build the best bikes they can again, and limit parts to keep the BRAND exclusive. I think this is the best thing WCC can do to be a "Bike Building " biz. I think there is gonna be some really cool stuff coming, I never said the shop bikes were not quality, but they have not been as innovative lately. All i meant.

As far as the Diablo's being way different, I can post 11 pics of rigid Diablos that are all very much the same besides paint, air cleaner, wheels and seat. I don't want to argue anymore, I wish WCC the best.

[tod75154]

Originally Posted by bigtwin100

This thread need to die........

tried to kill it.. ... damn

[Rhode Warrior]

Originally Posted by Orange skullz

You been peekin' in my garage?.........................

The wife and I use to own 5 cars, a motorcycle, motorcycle trailer & an ATV. Fret not though, we're down to 3 cars, bike & trailer. Had over $100g invested in that collection. Sold 2 of the cars (Trans Am convertible & IROC-Z) for $28g and the quad for $6g.

I've personally never owned less than 2 cars & 1 bike at one time since I was 20 years old. Just one of those things I guess...................

You're a lightweight.

[Barefoot Choppa]

Originally Posted by ->Bullet<-

OH FUCK YEAH ! It seems that you don't know what you'r talkin about man. Here's an example : last year a romanian business man was cruising (!) with his brand new FERRARI !!!!!!!! ( not ''ferarri'' ) and the burned gas from the end of the exhaust heated up AND THE HOLE CAR EXPLODED IN THE END !!! < like in that ''Biker Build OFF'' when Billy lane's chopper burned ;I guess you know that ep !> The only thing that he could do is to sit there and watch , knowing though the car has insurance All of the (italian) sports/exotic cars have stupid little flaws dude. Document yourself before makin a statement like that ....''cause YES it does not say much for intelligence ''
The hole point is this : we are people,we feel there for we have passions. some of us pay a lot of cash on plains ,boats,ferrari's,watches ( like a Porshe Design watch ...can't remember now the exact model HAS A 100.000 EUROS PRICE TAG ;I know that cause I work in the industry in some way ) and the list is endless... so why not a wcc ? if the money are not the prob and the wcc passion in there...

This coming from a guy that thinks choppers originated in TASMANIA-AUSTRALIA .......oh brother

[->Bullet<-]

Originally Posted by Barefoot Choppa

This coming from a guy that thinks choppers originated in TASMANIA-AUSTRALIA .......oh brother

now that's funny I'll give you that. I forgot you'r the center of the earth you just couldn't leave it like that ha ? couldn't bare to see me bitch slapping you ha ? with yo ferarri shit you had to say something to offend me . none taken ''you all wise one'' c'mon now we both now you can't stand the pressure and eventualy you'll go crying like a little bitch ... seen it before (if you want to continue this ''debate'' use the pm,in that way we'll keep this thread clean )