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Old 07-22-2005, 04:28 PM
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Determining S&S Engine Size

When buying a used bike, is there any way to determine the engine size? If the guys states it is a S&S 113”, how can I be sure? Is there a visual difference between a 96” and 113”?
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113 is much more "fat" looking
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Old 07-22-2005, 08:29 PM
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113 is much more "fat" looking
Gypsy, based on your usual in-depth and highly knowlegable responses, "more fat looking" is not exactly what I expected to read when I clicked on this thread!

BTW, its a damn good question, and one that has occured to me before as well.
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well i can spot the 3 different series they have made, i cant tell the individual sizes

but the 93,96, 103 all have cylinders that look sort of like stock...you can see the cylinder stud passages from the outside...and the cylinders actually look stright down the fins, or almost sucked in(sidewinders)

the next series(supersidewinders)..look different at the base of the cylinders(around the bottom fins) and the cylinders fins look pregnant from the side...thats what i meant by fatter 100, 107, 113

the supersidewinder plus series has twin cam heads, and a different fin around the spark plug
plus the twin cam style bottom cylinder base area

so if you drop the instantly recognizable twin cam type SSW+

thats leaves two types, SW, and SSW and one is "FAT"

its all very scientific
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Old 07-22-2005, 08:48 PM
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Now THAT'S the kind of answer we've come to expect from ya Gypsy!!

So, you're saying the SSW+ 111" in my '04 Texas Chopper has twin cam heads? I never knew that.
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commonly refered too as a SWAG......

Scientific Will Ass Guess....... but then again my uncle that thought me how to wrench can tell shim thickess by rubbing 'em between his fingers!

I wouldn't bet with Gypsy on it. You could bet with me though

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yes chopper cop...heads and cylinders are twin cam on all SSW+ engines, also the flywheels are now set up for the crank position sensor
also has piston cooling jets from the twin cam

theres other thing like the machining behind the pushrod tubes, ssw+ actually have the s&s logo at the bottom of the cylinder

i can tell a few shim sizes, but its more of a bet...i use a micrometer to see who's gotta by the beer

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yes chopper cop...heads and cylinders are twin cam on all SSW+ engines, also the flywheels are now set up for the crank position sensor
also has piston cooling jets from the twin cam

i can tell a few shim sizes
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Old 07-22-2005, 09:25 PM
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Thanks Gypsy, I appreciate the info. . . So there is no visual difference between a 93”,96”, & 103”?
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unless you measure the cylinder height you are guessing, and that is not logical
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Is there a book(outside a shop manual) that breaks down an engine to its core parts. Maybe "The dummies guide to motorcycle engines" or sumthin?
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Old 07-23-2005, 06:00 AM
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Now THAT'S the kind of answer we've come to expect from ya Gypsy!!

So, you're saying the SSW+ 111" in my '04 Texas Chopper has twin cam heads? I never knew that.
Hmmm, that's strange, Chopper Cop, my 2004 TX Chopper's 111ci engine is a Super Sidewinder but NOT "+". The S&S logos are on top of the cylinders on the left side, when I look at the engine from the front of the bike. On the right side of the cylinder, behind the plugs you can read "SuperStock" in raised letters.

I believe my SSW 111ci is an EVO, not a Twin Cam.
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Old 07-23-2005, 06:06 AM
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S&S SUPER SIDEWINDER PLUS SERVICE MANUAL

The Super Sidewinder Plus engine series - 111", 117", and 124" - 4 1/8" bore manual, is the first in a series, it is designed to guide a technician through the complete servicing procedure of an S&S Super Sidewinder Plus engine. With comprehensive instructions, complete specifications, high-quality photography, and tips directly from the S&S service technicians. Buy your copy today

this is the engine i speak of, this is from their site...and no the motors arent twin cams they are evos, with twin cam heads and cyclinders

maybe big dog has a "special sauce" motor they get from s&s i dont know...but:

it would have to have 2 cams to be called a twin cam i believe



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Old 07-23-2005, 08:36 PM
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[b]maybe big dog has a "special sauce" motor they get from s&s i dont know...but:

it would have to have 2 cams to be called a twin cam i believe
American Ironhorse actually (yeah I know, same thing) but I know its not a twin cam. Frenchy, I'm pretty sure your '04 111" is the "plus" motor. I believe it says it on the left side on the cases. Not sure, I'd have to check it and bike's not here now.
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you are right ...unless the wools been pulled over my eyes

i think frenchy is making a mistake based on his bottom end, and assuming twin cam heads means twin cams
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