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Old 12-07-2015, 08:43 AM
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What's a survivor?

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Hey gang, after kicking aroudn here for close to a year, I still find a lot of times when I have no idea what anyone's talking about. I've read and searched and i can't figure out what makes a bike a "Survivor" I find some referred to with that term, but I've also seen it used as an entire "type" of motorcycle. First guess was any vintage machine, then I ended up thinking it was something that had escaped modification, then I saw it used to describe a heavily modded old bike.
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Like you're thinking/a bike that has been kept going........
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Old 12-07-2015, 07:29 PM
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So anything works huh, as long as it's "survived" Thanks wag
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Old 12-07-2015, 07:36 PM
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I would like to think..... an older bike that has not been wrapped around a telephone pole.....
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Old 12-08-2015, 12:04 PM
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Usually it means an original, unmodified, unrestored bike.
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Old 12-08-2015, 02:50 PM
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to me it means several things,some contrery to others in the same list,
generaly an old car or bike that has survived maybe 30+ years in either an original, as it left the factory state with all original equipment but used and cleaned with an oily rag.
or original and in a factory fresh mint condition.
or it could be again a 30+ year old custom car or bike that has made it to today witout being changed or modified from the original builders design,
in either a used or as new condition.
to me it seems most Americans like to get an old car or bike and over restore, new paint, seats recovered,re chromed,re wired,and even engine mods that were not done when the thing was built in the first place......this takes away the originality and to me it is no longer a ''survivor''.its a restored vehicle,......it has lost its soul,
you cannot new build a bike, with an evo or twinkie motor,soft tail custom frame 300+ tyre upside down forks etc etc etc and put a maltese cross mirror on it and call it a ''survivor'' just because someone in the 60's had the same mirror on a Panhed....
the same goes for ''old School''... it cant be done with a cheque book... in the day we Made our bikes,with blood sweat and tears along with as much hard earnd as we could afford, usualy we couldnt afford hense we made things, learnt new trades,skills, like painting, turning,milling,wiring.welding.fabrication etc.....
to me the worst thing to happen to custom bike building were the Fat Book Credit card builds and the low production run cookie cutter ''customs'' of the last 10-20 years.....nothing is differant anymore other than ya paint colour and design or the choice of a half dozen wheel designs or handlebars.
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Old 12-09-2015, 07:25 AM
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Ha ha. appreciate the humour, magnum. So my 1980 japacruiser with 79 carburetors is disqualified?
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Old 12-09-2015, 08:34 AM
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My take on "survivor" is pretty much the same as Magnum Pete's.

I deal with way more classic cars, muscle cars and hot rods, than I do motorcycles, and the term usually refers to an original car that had little to no modifications done to it, and still remains that way today,....or,....now that cars are getting older and older, (and so are we ),...it could also mean it was built as a race car, or a hot rod, or even a street machine,...back in the 30s through the 70s at sometime,.....and it was never changed or restored from that era,.... hence, they survived many decades without being brought back to original, or changed every time a new fad came along, to match that fad.
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Old 12-09-2015, 09:31 AM
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Guess I can call the carb swap, with OEM components for the same model of a different year, and the aftermarket filter inside the original airbox acceptable and refer to mine as a survivor. At least until I take the wrenches to it next spring.
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Old 12-09-2015, 09:32 AM
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Old 12-09-2015, 09:33 AM
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...or changed every time a new fad came along, to match that fad.
Agree 100% with Frank and Pete but would add that "survivor" could possibly be the new fad thus making the item much more valuable to a collector(for the most part).
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:34 AM
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It's an original, unrestored, car or bike.
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Old 12-17-2015, 01:39 PM
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agreed.

another version for me. would be something like this.

something crazy built that is still running, hasnt been "modified" or "Restored" and hasnt been "touched" up.
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Old 12-23-2015, 02:27 PM
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Here's a whole page of the second example of a survivor that I mentioned,....an old hot rod, built decades ago,...and left that way.

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